Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

Added a draft position the right hand column.

Name	Position	Year	School	Prestige	Award	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT	Drafted
William Numbers	SG	JR	St.Johns	A+	3rd AC	99	69	43	100	23	58	92	92	75	68	89	62	B-	870	47
Luke Brown	SF	JR	Syracuse	A	2nd AA	97	75	67	96	50	95	54	89	87	76	88	96	C	970	5
Kyle Roberts	SF	JR	Auburn	A	1st AA	100	71	72	99	67	88	81	82	89	89	84	70	B	992	2
David Stewart	SF	SO	LSU	A	2nd AC	95	75	80	92	75	71	94	74	81	86	87	63	C+	973	7
Kenneth Whitfield	PF	JR	LSU	A	Didn't Start	97	55	87	99	75	94	49	59	75	73	81	31	C	875	8
Billy Wallace	PF	JR	UConn	B	Didn't Start	73	42	83	88	69	92	68	59	63	59	72	51	C	819	58
Joseph Lange	PF	SO	ISU	A-	1st AC	86	51	87	93	63	94	67	57	70	59	70	57	C	854	20
Eddie West	PF	JR	Pitt	A	2nd AA	98	73	99	99	99	99	96	53	72	79	74	90	C	1031	1
Edward Pitre	PF	JR	Illinois	A+	2nd AC	85	77	94	94	97	93	70	43	48	49	77	72	C	899	10
Scott Baca	PF	JR	Vandy	B	3rd AC	95	49	78	94	68	96	66	62	73	76	79	94	C+	930	30
Daniel Jones	PF	JR	LSU	A	1st AC	99	52	98	94	78	64	54	73	75	75	67	98	C-	927	13
John Graham	PF	JR	St.Louis	B	1st AC	87	70	76	97	76	93	79	49	74	55	76	76	C+	908	27
Duane Dey	PF	SO	Pitt	A	3rd AC	96	67	85	95	70	78	65	55	48	42	76	43	C	820	42
Joseph Rathbun	PF	JR	Memphis	B+	None	91	59	83	98	74	73	84	63	42	86	80	60	B-	893	51
Paul Winters	PF	SO	St.Johns	A+	2nd AC	93	61	90	89	84	95	10	60	68	63	71	39	C	823	34
Raymond Pullum	C	JR	St.Johns	A+	None	86	38	94	92	82	86	45	41	51	79	70	58	D	822	59
Steven Burton	C	JR	Illinois	A+	2nd AA	100	51	99	99	100	99	34	46	70	92	87	64	C+	941	4
Michael Gill	C	JR	LSU	A	1st AC	90	44	97	99	99	99	10	53	66	75	80	37	B-	849	33
Bruce Hove	C	JR	OK	A+	2nd AC	96	31	99	99	99	75	80	59	52	66	73	70	C+	899	22
Salvatore Lombardi	C	RS SO	Miss St	A	3rd AC	99	51	95	94	84	97	76	69	51	89	83	57	C	945	14

wasn't one of changes supposed to address the players draft position vs. the likelihood that he leaves?  ie.. if he's projected as a lottery pick he has a better chance of leaving than if he's a bottom 10 pick.
 

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

That's not true.  It is basically impossible to have incredible Freshman performers.  IQ plays too important of a role in performance to have outstanding Freshmen players.  As I said before, if this change stays in effect, they should lessen the importance of IQ on performance so that we can have true impact Freshmen.   

At least in real college basketball, the star freshmen who declare show they can be dominant on the court.  (ex: Anthony Davis)  He was national player of the year as a freshmen.  This could never happen in HD under the current system.  This change significantly hurts the Elite teams. 

Yeah, the elite teams have it soooooo tough.

/sarcasm

This change does hurt the elite teams.  But that is a good thing.

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/11/2012 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

That's not true.  It is basically impossible to have incredible Freshman performers.  IQ plays too important of a role in performance to have outstanding Freshmen players.  As I said before, if this change stays in effect, they should lessen the importance of IQ on performance so that we can have true impact Freshmen.   

At least in real college basketball, the star freshmen who declare show they can be dominant on the court.  (ex: Anthony Davis)  He was national player of the year as a freshmen.  This could never happen in HD under the current system.  This change significantly hurts the Elite teams. 

dont lessen the impact of IQ - create a small percentage of freshmen with very strong IQ

Posted by fd343ny on 7/11/2012 2:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/11/2012 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

That's not true.  It is basically impossible to have incredible Freshman performers.  IQ plays too important of a role in performance to have outstanding Freshmen players.  As I said before, if this change stays in effect, they should lessen the importance of IQ on performance so that we can have true impact Freshmen.   

At least in real college basketball, the star freshmen who declare show they can be dominant on the court.  (ex: Anthony Davis)  He was national player of the year as a freshmen.  This could never happen in HD under the current system.  This change significantly hurts the Elite teams. 

dont lessen the impact of IQ - create a small percentage of freshmen with very strong IQ

agreed.  give certain freshmen high iq's, and then make IQ more important.  that will allow mid majors with senior dominant teams to win some NT games, something I think we all agree is needed

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/11/2012 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

That's not true.  It is basically impossible to have incredible Freshman performers.  IQ plays too important of a role in performance to have outstanding Freshmen players.  As I said before, if this change stays in effect, they should lessen the importance of IQ on performance so that we can have true impact Freshmen.   

At least in real college basketball, the star freshmen who declare show they can be dominant on the court.  (ex: Anthony Davis)  He was national player of the year as a freshmen.  This could never happen in HD under the current system.  This change significantly hurts the Elite teams. 

So elite teams need to have more advantages? Last time I checked, the NT is dominated by BCS teams.

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/11/2012 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

That's not true.  It is basically impossible to have incredible Freshman performers.  IQ plays too important of a role in performance to have outstanding Freshmen players.  As I said before, if this change stays in effect, they should lessen the importance of IQ on performance so that we can have true impact Freshmen.   

At least in real college basketball, the star freshmen who declare show they can be dominant on the court.  (ex: Anthony Davis)  He was national player of the year as a freshmen.  This could never happen in HD under the current system.  This change significantly hurts the Elite teams. 

you know, I started a freshman 5 star PG last season. He averaged 1 TO to 3.5 ast and 6.8 ppg on 45% shooting as my 4th highest distro guy (also only 1.5 pf per game.) It doesn't seem that low IQ slowed him down all that much...

dac, those are indeed decent numbers for your guy.

But they're very, very far from uber stud, heavy impact frosh numbers. That's a long, long way from Carmelo or Durant. Heck, it's a long way from Trey Burke. And that's the point here ... not that a 5-star can't be serviceable, but that they can't be super impact like real life.

Posted by tianyi7886 on 7/11/2012 4:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/11/2012 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

That's not true.  It is basically impossible to have incredible Freshman performers.  IQ plays too important of a role in performance to have outstanding Freshmen players.  As I said before, if this change stays in effect, they should lessen the importance of IQ on performance so that we can have true impact Freshmen.   

At least in real college basketball, the star freshmen who declare show they can be dominant on the court.  (ex: Anthony Davis)  He was national player of the year as a freshmen.  This could never happen in HD under the current system.  This change significantly hurts the Elite teams. 

So elite teams need to have more advantages? Last time I checked, the NT is dominated by BCS teams.

from what i see isn't 'hurting elite teams' sort of the point?  it seems like the comments i kept seeing were about the elite teams being too dominant and that the mid majors and such couldn't get any traction.

Posted by milkamania on 7/11/2012 3:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 7/11/2012 2:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/11/2012 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

That's not true.  It is basically impossible to have incredible Freshman performers.  IQ plays too important of a role in performance to have outstanding Freshmen players.  As I said before, if this change stays in effect, they should lessen the importance of IQ on performance so that we can have true impact Freshmen.   

At least in real college basketball, the star freshmen who declare show they can be dominant on the court.  (ex: Anthony Davis)  He was national player of the year as a freshmen.  This could never happen in HD under the current system.  This change significantly hurts the Elite teams. 

dont lessen the impact of IQ - create a small percentage of freshmen with very strong IQ

agreed.  give certain freshmen high iq's, and then make IQ more important.  that will allow mid majors with senior dominant teams to win some NT games, something I think we all agree is needed

i would love to have some freshmen recruits that start with higher iq's and could play right away, even at d3.

Posted by milkamania on 7/11/2012 3:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fd343ny on 7/11/2012 2:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/11/2012 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

That's not true.  It is basically impossible to have incredible Freshman performers.  IQ plays too important of a role in performance to have outstanding Freshmen players.  As I said before, if this change stays in effect, they should lessen the importance of IQ on performance so that we can have true impact Freshmen.   

At least in real college basketball, the star freshmen who declare show they can be dominant on the court.  (ex: Anthony Davis)  He was national player of the year as a freshmen.  This could never happen in HD under the current system.  This change significantly hurts the Elite teams. 

dont lessen the impact of IQ - create a small percentage of freshmen with very strong IQ

agreed.  give certain freshmen high iq's, and then make IQ more important.  that will allow mid majors with senior dominant teams to win some NT games, something I think we all agree is needed

i would love to have some freshmen recruits that start with higher iq's and could play right away, even at d3.

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/11/2012 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

That's not true.  It is basically impossible to have incredible Freshman performers.  IQ plays too important of a role in performance to have outstanding Freshmen players.  As I said before, if this change stays in effect, they should lessen the importance of IQ on performance so that we can have true impact Freshmen.   

At least in real college basketball, the star freshmen who declare show they can be dominant on the court.  (ex: Anthony Davis)  He was national player of the year as a freshmen.  This could never happen in HD under the current system.  This change significantly hurts the Elite teams. 

utah, with all due respect, the above illustrated chart doesn't have one frosh. leaving early so that discussion about EE and frosh. is seemingly irrelevant.