Gillispie:  keep these coming I like reading your position on the game because when u have an opinion its because you actually researched it to come to that opinion.  I would in now way be able compete at D1 if I hadnt started digging thru all your posts thru the yrs to figure things out

thanks matt! glad i could help.

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/3/2016 6:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cburton23 on 2/3/2016 6:23:00 PM (view original):
This does bring up another issue that has been discussed before and that is the inability sometimes to get a player to stop considering you.  Even if it is not a battle you may not want to look over extended.  This happens especially with internationals.  You send a few SVs find out the guy is a bum, but 2 SVs and he is in love with your school.  Now, without ever offering a scholly you hit redshirt and the kid says no problem.  So he is stuck on your list and there is nothing you can do.  There really needs to be a "Get Lost Button."

thats my point. there ISNT nothing you can do. re-read the original post.

Sometimes there is nothing you can do is my point.  If I have never offered a scholly, have informed of redshirt and the guy wont leave I am stuck until somebody else comes after him.

It should be simple, there should be an option that tells the recruit to get lost.

Posted by cburton23 on 2/4/2016 12:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/3/2016 6:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cburton23 on 2/3/2016 6:23:00 PM (view original):
This does bring up another issue that has been discussed before and that is the inability sometimes to get a player to stop considering you.  Even if it is not a battle you may not want to look over extended.  This happens especially with internationals.  You send a few SVs find out the guy is a bum, but 2 SVs and he is in love with your school.  Now, without ever offering a scholly you hit redshirt and the kid says no problem.  So he is stuck on your list and there is nothing you can do.  There really needs to be a "Get Lost Button."

thats my point. there ISNT nothing you can do. re-read the original post.

Sometimes there is nothing you can do is my point.  If I have never offered a scholly, have informed of redshirt and the guy wont leave I am stuck until somebody else comes after him.

It should be simple, there should be an option that tells the recruit to get lost.

there is never nothing you can do. sometimes, it just is prohibitively expensive or you are broke, but in the cases you are talking about, you DO have an option. here's how it works:

you can always, assuming the funds exist, go through cycles of, offer scholarship, pull scholarship. this can be done multiple times in the same HD recruiting cycle. this generates a net negative!

i have used this frequently in the exact situation you describe. frankly, i think i have ONLY used it in the situation you describe. coincidentally, i most recently used this technique to get off an international (who i redshirted, who i had never offered a ship to in the first place) yesterday. it worked. it always works. now, if you are like 50k into a battle, tied with a guy... i would not recommend this strategy :) but for pesky internationals, for 100-200 bucks, its worth it. just think of it as the cost of crafting a well-worded "get lost" message.

edit: sorry i just replied last time with the crappy "re-read the first post" message. i was tired. i should have just explained this again right then, but hopefully it works out the same in the end :)

Thanks gill.  I see what you are saying.

"team who can't win a head to head - no, cant even come close - push you on a player anyway. its hard to back down, knowing you can crush that guy easily. but why risk your other players? you spend 40k beating down some rogue school, and some other big school takes one of your other players. the other guy usually gets totally wrecked, but how does that help you?"


You have to think about this as the "team that can't win" position. At least from someone who somewhat knows what they are doing. He's hoping you make a different choice, since your options are so much greater than his. Once, I was just looking at a player and I just spent $2000 and I was battling a coach I knew that could crush me. I was going to let it go, but the next cycle, I noticed he had another player considering him at the same position. It looked to me like he was making a choice not to battle, and just moved on to the other player. Sometimes, the power player just decides the player isn't worth the trouble.

Posted by skinndogg on 2/17/2016 3:45:00 PM (view original):
"team who can't win a head to head - no, cant even come close - push you on a player anyway. its hard to back down, knowing you can crush that guy easily. but why risk your other players? you spend 40k beating down some rogue school, and some other big school takes one of your other players. the other guy usually gets totally wrecked, but how does that help you?"


You have to think about this as the "team that can't win" position. At least from someone who somewhat knows what they are doing. He's hoping you make a different choice, since your options are so much greater than his. Once, I was just looking at a player and I just spent $2000 and I was battling a coach I knew that could crush me. I was going to let it go, but the next cycle, I noticed he had another player considering him at the same position. It looked to me like he was making a choice not to battle, and just moved on to the other player. Sometimes, the power player just decides the player isn't worth the trouble.

that is not remotely the kind of situation i was referring to. i don't disagree with you though.

Just did this. My team is A+, but after round one, a recruit who was way down my priority list came back also considering another A+ school. I ejected and redshirted and pulled the offer to get him off my list, wanting to limit my actual and perceived battles (especially important for internationals where there is no WOTS and someone may see two schools under consideration, thus inviting attacks, when you may have just sent a scholly and a home visit). Also, if I am going onto to someone else's turf, as I was here (kid was in PR and OR coaches FLA), I'm going to tread respectfully; clearing my school off of my competitor's list also makes sense for that secondary reason.