Posted by MikeT23 on 3/16/2016 9:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by pepwaves007 on 3/16/2016 2:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/13/2016 9:37:00 AM (view original):
The answer you're seeking(if you really want an answer) is that we were here when HBD was created. We were playing other games and HBD was created. Personally, I'm not "shopping around" to play a simgame. It's less than .30 a day to play HBD. If OOTP is .23 a day, who gives a ****?

Fair enough. You guys are comfortable where you're at. Nothing wrong with that.

Though to be fair, OOTP is only .11 a day. ;)

If anyone does want to check out OOTP, they are releasing v17 in about a week. I'm helping with beta testing, and it's pretty friggin' sweet.

The fact that you just stumped for OOTP indicates you weren't really seeking an answer.

As for the .19 difference per day, I'm pretty sure that still falls into "Who gives a ****?" While I'd probably fight you if you tried to take a buck fifty(a week of HBD vs OOTP) from me, it would be on principle only. And if you were built like a linebacker, I'd still have to option to say "**** it, it's only a buck fifty."

I can see why you'd think I was just here to plug OOTP, but that's definitely not the case. My original post was genuine. You probably don't believe me...and that's fine.

The simple truth is I had the urge to start playing a baseball sim about a week ago, and so I looked into OOTP again. But, I prefer to play the best product out there, so I was curious if there was something I was missing about HBD. People have tried to sell me on it in the past as I mentioned before, but it's always been clear to me that OOTP is the better product. Nevertheless, I posted here to see if you guys could tell me I was wrong.

So far, I've only heard two reasons why people like HBD over OOTP: 1) smart phone/tablet compatibility and 2) status quo.

I was hoping to get a better sales pitch, but oh well.

Posted by joeykw18 on 3/16/2016 2:47:00 PM (view original):
I am actually currently debating which to join and I really want to pick HBD, but I'm looking for reason why. It seem OOTP isn't as good with their online leagues....is that fair to say? They don't appear to be in one centralized location.

Joey, I played OOTP online many years ago (2002-2008), and I can honestly say it was the best online league experience I've ever had. So, I personally think OOTP is absolutely fantastic for online leagues.

The key is finding a league with a quality commissioner and core group of GMs. Leagues with those two components will stand the test of time. There are some online OOTP leagues out there that have been around for 10+ real life years and are still thriving. Then there are some that fold after a year or so.

I also am interested in joining an online league. But I am waiting until OOTP 17 is released to explore that possibility further. There are advertisements for some OOTP 16 leagues (that will likely transition to 17 soon) in the online league forum, but when the new game is released, there should be a slew of new leagues created most likely. I personally hope to get in on a brand new league rather than join an existing one. If you are fine with joining an existing league, I see several quality ones with openings, particularly Monty Brewster World Baseball Association which is supposed to be one of the best out there.

Have you ever played OOTP before?

Well, this holds true here: " The key is finding a league with a quality commissioner and core group of GMs. Leagues with those two components will stand the test of time. There are some online OOTP leagues out there that have been around for 10+ real life years and are still thriving. Then there are some that fold after a year or so." Except it's only 7.5 years around here.

I just checked out OOTP. I guess I'm going to join. I have played many hundreds of games here. The customer service here sucks. Maybe OOTP will also suck. I need to go find out.

What are you even doing here? I replaced you a long time ago because you were "done with WifS". When I'm done with something, I tend not to read their message boards.

I came to this forum to read about/discuss the problems WIS is having stocking HBD worlds (hence the topic title, "World Watch"), not read infomercials for OOTP. Go away...

Especially with the new system blurring projected ratings, hiding budgets, and desimplifying the amateur draft, HBD is a very strong game. Worlds that are doing well and have strong commissioners are not having problems filling spots. And I'm glad that HBD doesn't look like it was designed by adderall addicts. Many more ratings would be too much.

WIS is hiring and expanding -- I'm sure we will end up with solutions to fix the too-many-openings problems eventually.

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/16/2016 7:24:00 PM (view original):
What are you even doing here? I replaced you a long time ago because you were "done with WifS". When I'm done with something, I tend not to read their message boards.

GFY

Posted by Bernie10025 on 3/16/2016 7:42:00 PM (view original):
I came to this forum to read about/discuss the problems WIS is having stocking HBD worlds (hence the topic title, "World Watch"), not read infomercials for OOTP. Go away...

Especially with the new system blurring projected ratings, hiding budgets, and desimplifying the amateur draft, HBD is a very strong game. Worlds that are doing well and have strong commissioners are not having problems filling spots. And I'm glad that HBD doesn't look like it was designed by adderall addicts. Many more ratings would be too much.

WIS is hiring and expanding -- I'm sure we will end up with solutions to fix the too-many-openings problems eventually.

Not meant to be an infomercial. Sorry that my posts annoy you. A problem with HBD (dying worlds) was identified by the OP, so I thought this was as good a place as any to ask why people continue playing this game instead of others. If anything, I was hoping to get an infomercial for HBD! Clearly you guys need more people to start playing this game, and this would have been a perfect opportunity for you to attract new users (i.e. joeykw18) by actually discussing the advantages of HBD vs OOTP.

Funnily enough...you did briefly mention some of the merits of HBD in the above post. Why not be open to a more in depth discussion? Instead some people in this thread come across as less than welcoming. Not the best way to draw people into the game...

Re: WIS...you have too much faith in them. We've been waiting on them for years to fix some glaring problems with HD. Of course, they finally showed up and promised changes the last six months...but to an area of the game that didn't need fixing. I don't know about the reputation of WIS around these parts, but it's less than stellar over in HD....

We're "less than welcoming" because you're selling a rival product. It's obvious no matter how slick you think you are at pretending you're not.

If we really wanted to discuss something, we could discuss why WifS isn't monitoring a thread like this. And, if they are, why your posts are still here.

Ask yourself this question...why would I be "selling" a "rival" product? What incentive is there for that sort of thing? Silly...

And yeah...WIS certainly doesn't seem to care about posts about rival products. That would require they actually care about the health of their own product...

ETA: I'm really confused why you guys are so afraid to have a healthy discussion comparing two games. There's plenty of this sort of thing over on the OOTP boards and has been for years. Concerned even more people will leave the game? Honest question.

Beats me. Maybe you're attempting to recruit customers for the same reason we're "less than welcoming" of people trying to pull people away from WifS.

Both sites need users.

Uh, duh.

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/16/2016 9:48:00 PM (view original):
Beats me. Maybe you're attempting to recruit customers for the same reason we're "less than welcoming" of people trying to pull people away from WifS.

Both sites need users.

Uh, duh.

Considering I have no vesting interest in OOTP sales and I am not currently in an online league that needs users...it doesn't impact me whatsoever if someone leaves HBD and join OOTP. In fact, I haven't even purchased OOTP for about 8 years.

So, again...you misjudged my motives. But, feel free to continue believing I have some devious plan here.

Now, if I was on this forum pitching HD, you may be right about my "recruiting" efforts...because we certainly need people over there just as much as you guys need people over here!

A) How the hell would anyone know the last time you played OOTP? Because you said so? If you read it on the internet, it must be true.
B) You said you were testing some new OOTP program, did you not? Pre-recruiting, maybe?

Seriously, it obvious you want people to play OOTP. Maybe you just hate WifS. Maybe no one will talk to you about OOTP. Maybe you're bored shitless. No one knows. But, when you keep on about the problems with HBD and the merits of OOTP, there's a reason.

Well, this thread has become hyjacked.

If only there was a button that allowed you to create a new thread on the message board. If only.

Also, I don't give a **** if we recruit new owners. That's WIS, job. Somehow people are convinced it should be ours. That's the real con.

I'm not recruiting anyone. But someone is. And it's not for WifS.