Is there any real reason why recruits need to be projected to a level?

Posted by utthead on 12/28/2016 4:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MonsterTurtl on 12/26/2016 11:38:00 AM (view original):
I don't like how D3 teams recruiting D2 players can't sign a player until the 2nd cycle. D3 players are not good enough for any top level D3 team, and since they have to wait until the 2nd cycle to sign a D2 player, and the last day to sign a D1 player, we are left with a waiting game, we have to fend off other players for 5 days to get the player that we want. If we lose a battle, it will be too late to find someone else. It makes recruiting so much more annoying for us D3 players.

Back to the original post ... and hopefully moving beyond the nonsense.

Here is the biggest truism posted by MonsterTurtl- "D3 players are not good enough for any top level D3 team"

I don't even bother scouting D3 recruits for my D3 team ... and I'm in Texas with a large pool of recruits. The D3 recruits ALL suck, except for an occasional D3 JC.

Nobody can win at D3 with D3 recruits. And this is especially discouraging for newbies who don't understand this.

There needs to be better recruits available at D3 ... or just eliminate the category ... it really has no value.

Might as well have the D3 schools all fish in the D2 tank ... mindful that the D2 schools will always have some advantage.

"Is there any real reason why recruits need to be projected to a level?"

Provocative question .... my answer would be probably not.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/28/2016 4:09:00 PM (view original):
Is there any real reason why recruits need to be projected to a level?

I would tend to agree - I made a longer post the other day in the scouting thread but there is very little control over recruiting at D2/3 for sure, they need to have those guys drop or slide down sooner. Maybe not sign but something different.

The "whenever" or "early" guys would force D1 to recruit differently but the market would sort out the recruit's level. My guess is the current system is designed to force D2/D3 to deal with the possibility that the "appropriate" level schools might show up and ruin their day. If there were no projected levels, D1s would have to spread their AP out a little to enact back-up plans. I can imagine there would be much pushback over that.

Either way, I've been making this argument for HBD coaches, "let the market dictate level", for years. WifS has ignored me mightily. I can't imagine any change is coming on this in HD.

"Nobody can win at D3 with D3 recruits."

Win what exactly? A national championship? A NT game? A PIT game? A conference championship?

I agree that you probably won't win a national championship but saying that you can't win enough to make the NT is not true. I just did one season recruiting only D3 players and signed 3 guys that would definitely get me to the tourney. Maybe you happened to have a bad recruit generation this season. That's happened to me before in 2.0 and I struggled to find anything worth signing.

Posted by Benis on 12/28/2016 5:08:00 PM (view original):
"Nobody can win at D3 with D3 recruits."

Win what exactly? A national championship? A NT game? A PIT game? A conference championship?

I agree that you probably won't win a national championship but saying that you can't win enough to make the NT is not true. I just did one season recruiting only D3 players and signed 3 guys that would definitely get me to the tourney. Maybe you happened to have a bad recruit generation this season. That's happened to me before in 2.0 and I struggled to find anything worth signing.

Yeah, but solid D3 recruits are outliers, aren't they? If you had to guess the percentage of D3-recruited players in the S16 in any given 3.0, would you put the number over or under 10%?

Posted by mbriese on 12/28/2016 6:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 12/28/2016 5:08:00 PM (view original):
"Nobody can win at D3 with D3 recruits."

Win what exactly? A national championship? A NT game? A PIT game? A conference championship?

I agree that you probably won't win a national championship but saying that you can't win enough to make the NT is not true. I just did one season recruiting only D3 players and signed 3 guys that would definitely get me to the tourney. Maybe you happened to have a bad recruit generation this season. That's happened to me before in 2.0 and I struggled to find anything worth signing.

Yeah, but solid D3 recruits are outliers, aren't they? If you had to guess the percentage of D3-recruited players in the S16 in any given 3.0, would you put the number over or under 10%?

In 3.0, yeah it will likely be many more D1 and D2 guys on teams that make S16, for sure. Could you MAKE the NT with D3 players? Yeah I think you could if you knew what you were doing. TJ is trying that out right now so we'll see how he does.

I still think the divisions should have just been capped and then you could recruit D3 players because that's all everyone else is recruiting. Decent players in 2.0 might not be as decent now because you could potentially be playing some real stacked teams.

I don't think you could win a NT game with D3 players. It's not that difficult to get to the NT especially from a bad conference. Winning is quite different, a team made up of all D3 players, unless they are all the token gems across the whole country, would be highly unlikely.

My projection before when TJ said he would recruit only DIII players was a round 2 at best, and that's likely only if he gets a sim in round 1.