Posted by jt2xTTU on 12/27/2017 12:01:00 PM (view original):
This post has been humorous to read
"Guys I want input on my team's performance"

"How about ..."
"No that's stupid. Anyone elae?"
"What about ..."
"That won't work. Something else?"
"You could try ..."
"Ah screw it, y'all ain't any help. I'll just do what I wanted to do anyway."

This is what I've gotten out of this thread as well.

Posted by jt2xTTU on 12/27/2017 12:01:00 PM (view original):
This post has been humorous to read
"Guys I want input on my team's performance"

"How about ..."
"No that's stupid. Anyone elae?"
"What about ..."
"That won't work. Something else?"
"You could try ..."
"Ah screw it, y'all ain't any help. I'll just do what I wanted to do anyway."

Pretty much. Wizard you've got to stop playing whatif like it's real life bball. The engine is not a human and you don't get style points or credit for thinking about the flow of the game like a true bball naturalist...you've gotta play the stats like a nerd and you'll see more success.

Posted by jt2xTTU on 12/27/2017 12:01:00 PM (view original):
This post has been humorous to read
"Guys I want input on my team's performance"

"How about ..."
"No that's stupid. Anyone elae?"
"What about ..."
"That won't work. Something else?"
"You could try ..."
"Ah screw it, y'all ain't any help. I'll just do what I wanted to do anyway."

Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Go back to the original post and reread what I was asking. I was asking how to fix my defense.

I tried a couple of suggestions and they didn't work out. I tried to be polite about it. What do you want me to do?

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/27/2017 10:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by pdxblazerfan on 12/27/2017 9:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/26/2017 10:36:00 PM (view original):
Increased Duffy's distro and he's 7-17 .412 in 3 games. I'm done listening to you guys.

I appreciate everyone's attempt in trying to help. I will eventually figure this out.

Dude he went 4-8 and then 3-8 against the other teams' best defenders as a BACKUP in a SLOWDOWN offense. Sounds like a good thing, not a bad thing. For the love of whatif, if you're going to play slowdown start your best player.

He's shooting 47% on the season. He might be the best Ath+LP player on the team, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's the best scorer. PE rating
is important, which he lacks, speed which he lacks, ball handling which is average. Another issue is since our team has been getting a lot of free throws, he's a C- free throw shooter, which is worst on the team. Therefore his value even as a 47% shooter from the field is now lower. At some point, you can't just ignore the stats and go all in with your ratings, there is a logical reason he's not the best shooter on the team after 27 games, it's not by accident. What if you had a player that was the best Ath+LP and was only shooting 39% are you still going to make him take all the shots?

My other point on Duffy is that if he was shooting 47% at the time and if you increase the guys distro that will make him a worse shooter, because now you're forcing up shots that he wouldn't take in the normal flow of the offense.

There's so much stuff in here that's nonsensical I'm not even sure where to start. You keep talking out both sides. You love using FG% then saying his 47% isn't good. HE HAS THE SECOND HIGHEST FG% ON YOUR TEAM but takes the 7th most shots. Why are all the other guys (who shoot worse) better scorers then?

And your second paragraph makes zero sense.

Just my two cents.

One last thing...of your top four scorers no one is shooting above .461. That's pedestrian for a top team. The problem IS the flow of the offense, i.e., your distro.

I like how every other thread devolves into stuff like this. Even at Christmastime.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 12/27/2017 12:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/27/2017 10:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by pdxblazerfan on 12/27/2017 9:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/26/2017 10:36:00 PM (view original):
Increased Duffy's distro and he's 7-17 .412 in 3 games. I'm done listening to you guys.

I appreciate everyone's attempt in trying to help. I will eventually figure this out.

Dude he went 4-8 and then 3-8 against the other teams' best defenders as a BACKUP in a SLOWDOWN offense. Sounds like a good thing, not a bad thing. For the love of whatif, if you're going to play slowdown start your best player.

He's shooting 47% on the season. He might be the best Ath+LP player on the team, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's the best scorer. PE rating
is important, which he lacks, speed which he lacks, ball handling which is average. Another issue is since our team has been getting a lot of free throws, he's a C- free throw shooter, which is worst on the team. Therefore his value even as a 47% shooter from the field is now lower. At some point, you can't just ignore the stats and go all in with your ratings, there is a logical reason he's not the best shooter on the team after 27 games, it's not by accident. What if you had a player that was the best Ath+LP and was only shooting 39% are you still going to make him take all the shots?

My other point on Duffy is that if he was shooting 47% at the time and if you increase the guys distro that will make him a worse shooter, because now you're forcing up shots that he wouldn't take in the normal flow of the offense.

There's so much stuff in here that's nonsensical I'm not even sure where to start. You keep talking out both sides. You love using FG% then saying his 47% isn't good. HE HAS THE SECOND HIGHEST FG% ON YOUR TEAM but takes the 7th most shots. Why are all the other guys (who shoot worse) better scorers then?

And your second paragraph makes zero sense.

Just my two cents.

It's nonsensical because you disagree with it? Everyone's FG% is going to be lower due to the SOS, I entirely understand that. Did you see the point about his C- grade in FT shooting? That actually lowers the value of the 47% field goal percentage. He is also mostly going up against back up defenders. Again, I want you to read this carefully. Increasing his distro will lower his FG% because he is forcing more shots. If you give a guy more distro, they will look to him as the first option, but it will also mean that he will take more shots, even if it isn't a good shot. So now his 47% field goal percentage becomes around 41% or 42%.

I tried your suggestion, he went 7-17 in the 3 games I increased his distro. I understand it's not the biggest sample size.

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/27/2017 11:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 12/27/2017 11:24:00 AM (view original):
Does he get some minutes at sf? I would play him 3-4 as the first back up
and get his distro higher

He's been a back up for the entire season.

If I put him at sf, he would be even less effective with even more turnovers. Can't put a 25 PE player at SF and expect him to score. If I put him at the 5, I lose my best rebounder and shot blocker.

I disagree, he does not need per at all. What's his freethrows rating? I would not play him at 5, we both agree. Get him in the second depth chart slot at sf-pf and raise his distro. You would need to try it before the nt, double up his distro at least

Posted by zorzii on 12/27/2017 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 12/27/2017 11:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 12/27/2017 11:24:00 AM (view original):
Does he get some minutes at sf? I would play him 3-4 as the first back up
and get his distro higher

He's been a back up for the entire season.

If I put him at sf, he would be even less effective with even more turnovers. Can't put a 25 PE player at SF and expect him to score. If I put him at the 5, I lose my best rebounder and shot blocker.

I disagree, he does not need per at all. What's his freethrows rating? I would not play him at 5, we both agree. Get him in the second depth chart slot at sf-pf and raise his distro. You would need to try it before the nt, double up his distro at least

He's a backup PF and he's a C- free throw shooter.

Perimeter matters a great deal if you put him at SF, because then he can't utilize his LP skills as he'll be playing further away from the basket. He doesn't have adequate ball handling and speed to get to the rim, if he did, his LP would be more of a factor.

Try it. He will get to the line.

There's so much stuff in here that's nonsensical I'm not even sure where to start. You keep talking out both sides. You love using FG% then saying his 47% isn't good. HE HAS THE SECOND HIGHEST FG% ON YOUR TEAM but takes the 7th most shots. Why are all the other guys (who shoot worse) better scorers then?

Duffy's field goal percentage is higher because he plays closer to the basket. If 3 of my players hadn't taken any three pointers, as Duffy isn't a three point shooter, they would be at or higher than Duffy in terms of field goal percentage. Also LP players on average tend to go to the free throw line less compared to guards. He's also a backup, which means he plays against weaker defensive players. If he had been a starter, his FG% would be lower than what it is now.

Posted by pdxblazerfan on 12/27/2017 12:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jt2xTTU on 12/27/2017 12:01:00 PM (view original):
This post has been humorous to read
"Guys I want input on my team's performance"

"How about ..."
"No that's stupid. Anyone elae?"
"What about ..."
"That won't work. Something else?"
"You could try ..."
"Ah screw it, y'all ain't any help. I'll just do what I wanted to do anyway."

Pretty much. Wizard you've got to stop playing whatif like it's real life bball. The engine is not a human and you don't get style points or credit for thinking about the flow of the game like a true bball naturalist...you've gotta play the stats like a nerd and you'll see more success.

That's probably one of my biggest weaknesses is treating the game like it's real life basketball. I will give you that point.

There is probably a point at which increasing his distribution would negatively affect his FG%, but I doubt you’re close to that point with him, especially in triangle, which many observe lets you get away with higher distribution at the top, ie less penalty for high distribution players relative to the other sets. What hurts Duffy more than anything (at first glance, without digging into your pbps) is your team’s lack of perimeter shooting. Teams can go negative against you, and double him (especially if he’s not on the floor with your 2 guys who are at least some semblance of a perimeter threat). Not having a good distributor on the bench also hurts him significantly.

FT shooting is not insignificant, but at C- you’re looking at around 64%. The difference between that and B (~76%) is going to be around 20 points at the line over the course of a season, so less than a point per game, on average. Again, not insignificant, but I think you’re giving that too much weight in your decision making, especially for triangle. It looks like you’re trying to play a more FB/motion style offense. That’s a valid choice, just understand that you’re not getting as much from Duffy and A.Williams as you should be in a set that should utilize their skills nicely.

Yeah shoe, what you're saying makes a lot of sense. My first season, the guys I was interested in recruiting had triangle for preference, so stuck with triangle for the purpose of getting those players onto my team, but made a mistake of either not switching over right away or not trying to recruit the right players to fit the system. I figured I would just load up on Ath and Def and neglect offense figuring the schools that were recruiting around me were going for FB/FCP and good scoring type players.So that's basically where I'm at now.