Posted by 06gsp on 12/8/2021 8:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Mwett on 12/8/2021 7:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 12/7/2021 12:00:00 AM (view original):
Also Maddux and Pedro are 2 of the 3 greatest pitchers ( with koufax ) in the last 100 years.

Koufax barely barely barely makes the conversation, and as much as I appreciate his brief brilliance and Pedro, their status as any kind of 'best ever' hinges on 5-7ish lites out seasons. Good for them. Guess what ! Many others had peak stretches as well, AND longevity and durability.

You said the past 100 years. Maybe you meant to stop at 35 with Maddux.

Ever heard of :

Kershaw ?
Seaver ?
Gibson ?
Spahn ?
C. Hubbell ?

son are you high? Carl Hubbell ahead of Maddux?

dear god this thread is even dumber than the usual HOF thread

+1 you are correct sir.
I love these guys that say the only opinion you are allowed to have are his
or you must state your opinion a certain way like you are on jeopardy.

Quote post by Jetson21 on 12/8/2021 9:30:00 PM:
"I love these guys that say the only opinion you are allowed to have are his"

Thanx for clarifying exactly what I said.

Posted by fatguyrd on 12/9/2021 12:24:00 PM (view original):
it’s fine to argue who the best 5 pitchers of the last 100 years are.

But Jim Kaat got in solely because he lasted 25 seasons and accumalaed counting stats. Wins KO.

How many of those 25 seasons were great. I’d argue none, good maybe, great no!

Agreement here.
As he said himself he was a solid 2-3 pitcher
but it is great that as 4 rotation pitcher he was good for so long.

Baseball Hall of Fame ballots continue to roll in. We’ve had some weird ones so far, like that guy who, for the second-straight year, voted for a grand total of zero guys. Seems like a stupid flex, but who knows?

Speaking of things that are arbitrary, another ballot was submitted Thursday, from Jeff Blair at Sportsnet up in Canada. He voted for a handful of steroid guys but imposes a limitation of four selections only, explaining it this way:

Barry Bonds. Roger Clemens. David Ortiz. Alex Rodriguez.

That’s it.

That’s my baseball Hall of Fame ballot for this year and — yeah — thank god the ballot isn’t being tested for steroids. Or morality.

So, fire away. It’s four, not the permissible 10, permissible being the operative word compared to, say, required. As in “no more than 10.” I’ve voted for Manny Ramirez in the past, but decided against it this year because I’m one of those voters who casts a small ballot and I wanted to make room for A-Rod. Man, talk about Satan’s choice. The good news is it’s an election, a free choice, which means I’m not obligated to defend my ballot (none of us are) or, for that matter, explain it. But what the hell: it’s the one Hall of Fame people care about enough to threaten bodily harm so let me put on the hazmat suit and wade into this.

That makes no sense to me. Blair has decided, on past ballots, that Manny is good enough for the Hall of Fame. But his logic for removing him this year is because he has to keep to an arbitrary number, six units below the limit. If Manny and A-Rod are both good enough for the Hall, then why not break your sacred self-imposed rule for one season only, and make an weird. BBWAA guys are out here making it up as they go. This all suggests to me that the criteria and guidelines are just way too vague, and could use some narrowing. Then we wouldn’t have writers taking these goofy stances and can get back to focusing on why the Hall of Fame exists in the first place – to honor the greats of the game, and preserve their stories.

Posted by fatguyrd on 12/9/2021 7:18:00 PM (view original):

Baseball Hall of Fame ballots continue to roll in. We’ve had some weird ones so far, like that guy who, for the second-straight year, voted for a grand total of zero guys. Seems like a stupid flex, but who knows?

Speaking of things that are arbitrary, another ballot was submitted Thursday, from Jeff Blair at Sportsnet up in Canada. He voted for a handful of steroid guys but imposes a limitation of four selections only, explaining it this way:

Barry Bonds. Roger Clemens. David Ortiz. Alex Rodriguez.

That’s it.

That’s my baseball Hall of Fame ballot for this year and — yeah — thank god the ballot isn’t being tested for steroids. Or morality.

So, fire away. It’s four, not the permissible 10, permissible being the operative word compared to, say, required. As in “no more than 10.” I’ve voted for Manny Ramirez in the past, but decided against it this year because I’m one of those voters who casts a small ballot and I wanted to make room for A-Rod. Man, talk about Satan’s choice. The good news is it’s an election, a free choice, which means I’m not obligated to defend my ballot (none of us are) or, for that matter, explain it. But what the hell: it’s the one Hall of Fame people care about enough to threaten bodily harm so let me put on the hazmat suit and wade into this.

That makes no sense to me. Blair has decided, on past ballots, that Manny is good enough for the Hall of Fame. But his logic for removing him this year is because he has to keep to an arbitrary number, six units below the limit. If Manny and A-Rod are both good enough for the Hall, then why not break your sacred self-imposed rule for one season only, and make an weird. BBWAA guys are out here making it up as they go. This all suggests to me that the criteria and guidelines are just way too vague, and could use some narrowing. Then we wouldn’t have writers taking these goofy stances and can get back to focusing on why the Hall of Fame exists in the first place – to honor the greats of the game, and preserve their stories.

So far the ballots that have been released makes me not want to follow @NotMrTibbs on Twitter.

I'll just wait and be surprised on January 25th!

Posted by fatguyrd on 12/9/2021 7:18:00 PM (view original):

Baseball Hall of Fame ballots continue to roll in. We’ve had some weird ones so far, like that guy who, for the second-straight year, voted for a grand total of zero guys. Seems like a stupid flex, but who knows?

Speaking of things that are arbitrary, another ballot was submitted Thursday, from Jeff Blair at Sportsnet up in Canada. He voted for a handful of steroid guys but imposes a limitation of four selections only, explaining it this way:

Barry Bonds. Roger Clemens. David Ortiz. Alex Rodriguez.

That’s it.

That’s my baseball Hall of Fame ballot for this year and — yeah — thank god the ballot isn’t being tested for steroids. Or morality.

So, fire away. It’s four, not the permissible 10, permissible being the operative word compared to, say, required. As in “no more than 10.” I’ve voted for Manny Ramirez in the past, but decided against it this year because I’m one of those voters who casts a small ballot and I wanted to make room for A-Rod. Man, talk about Satan’s choice. The good news is it’s an election, a free choice, which means I’m not obligated to defend my ballot (none of us are) or, for that matter, explain it. But what the hell: it’s the one Hall of Fame people care about enough to threaten bodily harm so let me put on the hazmat suit and wade into this.

That makes no sense to me. Blair has decided, on past ballots, that Manny is good enough for the Hall of Fame. But his logic for removing him this year is because he has to keep to an arbitrary number, six units below the limit. If Manny and A-Rod are both good enough for the Hall, then why not break your sacred self-imposed rule for one season only, and make an weird. BBWAA guys are out here making it up as they go. This all suggests to me that the criteria and guidelines are just way too vague, and could use some narrowing. Then we wouldn’t have writers taking these goofy stances and can get back to focusing on why the Hall of Fame exists in the first place – to honor the greats of the game, and preserve their stories.

Blair is obviously an idiot. It disgusts me that the game that occupies such a large place in my life, mind and heart is affected by people like this guy. It's just one of the reasons I've distanced myself a little from the game.

A fool like this would do better to remain silent, but it's like he wants to rub our noses in his feces.

Posted by jmcraven74 on 12/12/2021 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by fatguyrd on 12/9/2021 7:18:00 PM (view original):

Baseball Hall of Fame ballots continue to roll in. We’ve had some weird ones so far, like that guy who, for the second-straight year, voted for a grand total of zero guys. Seems like a stupid flex, but who knows?

Speaking of things that are arbitrary, another ballot was submitted Thursday, from Jeff Blair at Sportsnet up in Canada. He voted for a handful of steroid guys but imposes a limitation of four selections only, explaining it this way:

Barry Bonds. Roger Clemens. David Ortiz. Alex Rodriguez.

That’s it.

That’s my baseball Hall of Fame ballot for this year and — yeah — thank god the ballot isn’t being tested for steroids. Or morality.

So, fire away. It’s four, not the permissible 10, permissible being the operative word compared to, say, required. As in “no more than 10.” I’ve voted for Manny Ramirez in the past, but decided against it this year because I’m one of those voters who casts a small ballot and I wanted to make room for A-Rod. Man, talk about Satan’s choice. The good news is it’s an election, a free choice, which means I’m not obligated to defend my ballot (none of us are) or, for that matter, explain it. But what the hell: it’s the one Hall of Fame people care about enough to threaten bodily harm so let me put on the hazmat suit and wade into this.

That makes no sense to me. Blair has decided, on past ballots, that Manny is good enough for the Hall of Fame. But his logic for removing him this year is because he has to keep to an arbitrary number, six units below the limit. If Manny and A-Rod are both good enough for the Hall, then why not break your sacred self-imposed rule for one season only, and make an weird. BBWAA guys are out here making it up as they go. This all suggests to me that the criteria and guidelines are just way too vague, and could use some narrowing. Then we wouldn’t have writers taking these goofy stances and can get back to focusing on why the Hall of Fame exists in the first place – to honor the greats of the game, and preserve their stories.

Blair is obviously an idiot. It disgusts me that the game that occupies such a large place in my life, mind and heart is affected by people like this guy. It's just one of the reasons I've distanced myself a little from the game.

A fool like this would do better to remain silent, but it's like he wants to rub our noses in his feces.

Well said!
Even as a Phillies fan I was so disillusioned by the extent of enhancement drugs used by the 1993 team. I never considered that team as a valid world series team.
Once i became totally disgusted by that team and the steroids conspiracy i stopped watching or following baseball and once i did start watching baseball again i have never been the same fan even in the 2008 season.