Really? Why? I mean, in general, strikeouts aren't any worse than any other out...but at the top of the lineup you'd want a high OBP guy. Maintaining a high OBP while striking out a ton requires either a lot of power, a high BABIP, or both.

A guy with a ton of power probably isn't hitting leadoff...which leaves the BABIP...and that relies on a lot of luck.

Wow... a thread where Mike and I agreed on something and where Bosux and dood _New_dood were being completely irrational douchebags...

Good times.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrdanielx on 1/14/2009Wow... a thread where Mike and I agreed on something and where Bosux and dood _New_dood were being completely irrational douchebags...

Good times.

After reaading through several pages I'd have to side with Bosox. Looks like MikeT23 was being the irrational douchebag.

Quote: Originally Posted By my_dick on 1/14/2009Really? Why? I mean, in general, strikeouts aren't any worse than any other out...but at the top of the lineup you'd want a high OBP guy. Maintaining a high OBP while striking out a ton requires either a lot of power, a high BABIP, or both.

A guy with a ton of power probably isn't hitting leadoff...which leaves the BABIP...and that relies on a lot of luck.

MikeT alias alert!

see bottom of first page and continued on 2nd page

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/05/20/jack.cust/index.html?eref=T1

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A groundout > strikeout as long as it doesnt result in a double play.

Quote: Originally posted by a3morey on 5/26/2009see bottom of first page and continued on 2nd page

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/05/20/jack.cust/index.html?eref=T1

A moronic article on several fronts.

To use 1930 as a benchmark of typical historical performance is ridiculous. There hasn't been another year as atypical as 1930, with the possbile exception of 1968.

To assert that Jack Cust would get more hits if he struck out less, based on the observation that 1930 hitters had high batting averages and low K rates is logically flawed. This is based. Linking low K rates to higher batting averages across time is based on the assumption that BABIP has been constant across that same time frame. This is empirically untrue. And in fact, BABIP has been rising quite steadily since the 1950s, along with K rates. And ML batting averages are about the same as they were in the mid-50's, as a result.

Yes, BA has fluctuated, and BABIP and K rate are not perfectly correlated over time, but lower K rates won't increase batting averages.

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part 1 is dead, unfortunately.

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No, don't bring this back up. With no Bosux, it wont be the same.

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I like to have my fastest player with contact and eye first... but since I dont have a bunch of guys like that I got with highest OBP. 


But then if they're slow, or have a lousy base running rating I dont know what to do.  Thoughts?

Slow guys can't hit into double plays when they bat leadoff. Thats a good thing. Everybody looks at me like I'm nuts when I suggest the Cards should bat Yadier Molina leadoff, but whatever...I just put guys there with high OBP and low SLG if possible. Honestly, if there's one spot in the order that can be pushed across the plate station to station its the leadoff guy. Zero outs and great hitters coming up. I've never understood why people want a low obp, speedy basestealer there as if they're desparate to score one run.

Posted by boogerlips on 4/3/2012 3:22:00 PM (view original):
Slow guys can't hit into double plays when they bat leadoff. Thats a good thing. Everybody looks at me like I'm nuts when I suggest the Cards should bat Yadier Molina leadoff, but whatever...I just put guys there with high OBP and low SLG if possible. Honestly, if there's one spot in the order that can be pushed across the plate station to station its the leadoff guy. Zero outs and great hitters coming up. I've never understood why people want a low obp, speedy basestealer there as if they're desparate to score one run.

http://www.pankin.com/markov/btn1191.htm