Posted by snydpie on 8/23/2011 10:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dh555 on 8/23/2011 10:26:00 PM (view original):
"Great players who are great team players make their teammates better which is what Dream & Ewing would do for eachother just like Robinson & Duncan did! These 2 pairs are similar in talent but once again my guys are in their prime! Prime =better results! "



what? ewing was a great team player? since when? he struggled to pass out of double teams and barely got any assists at all even though he had the ball almost every possesion....why do you think he couldnt dominate the bulls?...it sure as sh*t wasnt bill cartwright....he couldnt handle the pressure jordan/pippen and the rest put on him

He didn't have any offensive players to pass the ball to. They had few shooters. PF's who had to played SF and they had no shooting range! Their best offfensive player other than Ewing was Starks? As Len Berman would say- Cumon Man! Ewing is playin with an offensive powerhouse now so he can just do his thing. Dream & Amare instead of Oakley, Worthy & Hill instead of Mason, Pistol & Ellis instead of Starks, and Kidd instead of Ward. Ewing's in heaven now! 

And by the way dh no-one could dominate the Bulls. Even Dream had trouble against their double teams. Every team struggled against the Bulls. They were the greatest defensive team ever! You'll have to do better than that.

giving credit to the greatness of those bulls teams defense is always a good move in my book...well done

BUT...he still isnt a good passer just because you gave him better teammates...he is what he is...if he was a great teammate he would have made those guys into better players...hooked them up with better shots and such...those knicks teams had a real ugly offense and he played a big part in making it that way

Ewing missed a wide open gimme layup, end of the game, in the playoffs.   He really didn't have much help but damn he seemed to find a way to lose rather than win.  I even like the guy but he was limited.    How many points will he get as a second or third banana? 

Oh and ORL beat CHI with MJ.  Retirement or not, he was still putting up 40 a night but they couldn't handle the big fella inside.

Am I right in assuming you have just said that Jason Kidd (pre-2008) was a better shooter than Charlie Ward or Hubert Davis (at any time of their careers)?  Than Derek Harper or Greg Anthony?  What about Allan Houston?  Seriously?  That guy had one of the sweetest jumpshots I've ever seen.  Of course, all he & Davis could do WAS shoot, but yeah.  Sorry, Ewing had floor spacers.  It's a shame they let Jon Starks on the floor as much as they did, however.

I loved Ewing... but... wow.

Mark Eaton. Sorry, the site maintenance delayed me.

Ok snydpie as a supposed Rocket fan you have some explaining to do.

I have no problem hailing the Bulls as the greatest defensive team (although the Bad Boy Pistons make a compelling argument as does the 04 Pistons), but what is this crap about the Bulls giving Olajuwon trouble.  Did you realize that the first three-peat Bulls were 1-5 against the Rockets including the game where Bill Cartwright's elbow broke Olajuwon's orbital bone?  The Bulls struggled with solid big men because they never had a center worth anything.

To throw Ewing under the bus a little more, he played with (other than the list given by ash), and not just considering shooters:
Mark Jackson
Charles Oakley
Anthony Mason
Gerald Wilkins (or his proper title...Wilkins the Lesser)
Larry Johnson
Kiki Vandeweghe
Latrell Sprewell
Mo Cheeks
Johnny Newman
Trent Tucker

I know these guys might have only a a season or two, and some were near the end of their careers, but he had plenty of guys around him that could play.

Posted by badja on 8/23/2011 11:22:00 PM (view original):
Ewing missed a wide open gimme layup, end of the game, in the playoffs.   He really didn't have much help but damn he seemed to find a way to lose rather than win.  I even like the guy but he was limited.    How many points will he get as a second or third banana? 

Oh and ORL beat CHI with MJ.  Retirement or not, he was still putting up 40 a night but they couldn't handle the big fella inside.

I think this speaks to Jordans greatness the centers he played with were probably the worst of any NBA Championship team.

voting is open btw, sitemail away please

Posted by sappy on 8/24/2011 9:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by badja on 8/23/2011 11:22:00 PM (view original):
Ewing missed a wide open gimme layup, end of the game, in the playoffs.   He really didn't have much help but damn he seemed to find a way to lose rather than win.  I even like the guy but he was limited.    How many points will he get as a second or third banana? 

Oh and ORL beat CHI with MJ.  Retirement or not, he was still putting up 40 a night but they couldn't handle the big fella inside.

I think this speaks to Jordans greatness the centers he played with were probably the worst of any NBA Championship team.

uhhh, Jordan is great?  Really?

Hmm, Grant was a very nice player who did very well anywhere he went.  58% shooting, 14% orebs, all def team.  He was a competent big man.
Rodman put up Bill Russell rebounding numbers, just at a different position. 
Perdue was a decent player w/limited minutes.  Cartright & Longley-yeah not much there. 
Good thing all they had to defend was Mark Eaton (sorry Emp! he was a badass defender)

empdenied:   Maurice Cheeks, Michael Jordan,  Kevin Durant, Dennis Rodman,  Robert Parish  
(Robert Horry, Jeff Hornacek, M. Eaton)
malone9975:  Chris Paul,  Moncreif, Larry Bird,  Kevin McHale, Dave Cowens  
(Mitch Richmond, Bernard King, Arvydas Sabonis)
dh555:  Bob Cousy, Manu Ginobili, Elgin Baylor,  Dirk Nowitzki,  Wilt Chamberlain  
(Bruce Bowen, Sam Jones, Rasheed Wallace)
garyman:  Magic Johnson,  John Havlicek,  Dominique Wilkins ,Wes Unseld, Willis Reed  
(Deron Williams, Alex English, Yao Ming)
snydpie:  Jason Kidd,  Pete Maravich, James Worthy, Patrick Ewing,  Hakeem Olajuwon 
(Grant Hill, Dale Ellis, Amare Stoudemire)
sappy:  Allen Iverson, Kevin Johnson, Kevin Garnett,  Bob Pettit,  Bill Russell 
(Mike Miller, Cedric Maxwell, Elton Brand)
ashamael:  Walt Frazier, Dwayne Wade,  Shawn Marion, Bobby Jones, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar   
(Glen Rice, Kenny Smith, Marcus Camby)
longtallbrad:  Dennis Johnson, Clyde Drexler,  Scottie Pippen, Shaquille O'Neal, Shawn Kemp  
(Mark Price, Gerald Wallace, Mel Daniels)
badja:  Chauncey Billups, Vince Carter, Rick Barry, Tim Duncan,  Dwight Howard   
(Alvin Robertson, Tayshaun Prince, Horace Grant)
sweg:  Oscar Robertson, Jerry West,  Elvin Hayes, Thurmond, Jerry Lucas  
(Billy Cunningham, Tim Hardaway )
logain: Isiah Thomas,  Kobe Bryant,  Connie Hawkins, Bill Walton, Dikembe Mutombo   
(Latrell Sprewell, Ron Artest, Larry Nance )
xxevilivexx:   John Stockton, Joe Dumars, Chris Mullin , Reggie Miller,  Bob McAdoo  
(Detlef Schremph, Swen Nater, Jack Sikma)
imahobbit:   Paul Pierce, David Thompson, Lebron James,  Dave DeBusschere, Moses Malone  
(Mookie Blaylock, Eddie Jones, Bob Lanier)
steelers821:  Steve Nash,  George Gervin, Julius Erving,  Karl Malone, Alonzo Mourning  
(Andre Miller, Dan Majerle, Rashard Lewis)
all3:  Derek Harper,  Ray Allen,  Adrian Dantley, Charles Barkley,  Artis Gilmore   
(Terrell Brandon, Bill Laimbeer, Pau Gasol)
jayharvill:  Gary Payton,  Tracy McGrady, Peja Stojakovic, David Robinson, Ben Wallace  
(Mark Jackson, Lamar Odom, Chris Webber)

I think we should just consider doing a 1-5 or 1-8 ranking.   

my earlier trivia question.. the only guy taken in the first 5 rounds with no all-star appearances was Derek Harper. Several other guys were taken as bench guys though.

Andre Miller
Mike Miller
Marcus Camby
Arvydas Sabonis
Derek Harper

Are the 5 members of the 0-0-0 club here. No all-stars, no rings and of course no mvps.

Posted by lesliechow on 8/25/2011 9:55:00 AM (view original):
What exactly is going on here?  I may be interested.

this is over

steelers ended up with the most minutes - thanks to 95000 minutes on the bench
malone ended up with the least minutes by a good margin - thanks to cp3 and arvydas

most allstar appearances goes to gary.. though not sure how many of those yao all-stars should count!
fewest allstar appearances.. empdenied with 33 (despite mjs 14)
most rings - dh - for putting sam jones on his bench
least rings - hobbit and steelers each have 4, but two of steelers are ABA rings

most mvps - still sappy

jay,snydpie, and xxevil drafted only 1 mvp season each

the average team has

256554.8 mins
50.9 all-stars
11.2 rings
3.9 mvps