Quote: Originally Posted By plague on 10/06/2009Right now I know my Stud 27 year old pitcher will declare for free agency. The reason I know is because he has a high overall rating and he is young. It would be nice if there was a variable that allowed him a certain chance he asked for a large contract anywhere from say 10 mil a season to 20 mil a season

Yeah, I agree. A Zack Greinke type player.

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Quote: Originally posted by plague on 10/06/2009I would be willing to bet in real life that most players agents give the GM a target dollar amount they would sign to avoid free agency..

That's the fundamental flaw in the, not enough top FA, whine threads they whiners never think that guys will opt to not go to FA to sign an extesion earlier than their final season, they neglect the impact of the security arguement in a players decision matrix. Example, do i sign a guaranteed $100M contract in ST before my final season, or do i gamble that i will be healthy all season and have a career year to increase that to maybe $120-160M in FA. The flawed assumption some users have is that everyone opts for FA, in RL that just isn't true.

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Quote: Originally posted by Crump123 on 10/07/2009

Quote: Originally posted by plague on 10/06/2009I would be willing to bet in real life that most players agents give the GM a target dollar amount they would sign to avoid free agency.. [/QUOTE]That's the fundamental flaw in the, not enough top FA, whine threads they whiners never think that guys will opt to not go to FA to sign an extesion earlier than their final season, they neglect the impact of the security arguement in a players decision matrix. Example, do i sign a guaranteed $100M contract in ST before my final season, or do i gamble that i will be healthy all season and have a career year to increase that to maybe $120-160M in FA. The flawed assumption some users have is that everyone opts for FA, in RL that just isn't true.

Even players that do opt have their agents contact the team to see if they can negotiate a long term contract. They just never come to a agreement and the results is the player opts for free agency. Just because a player opts for free agency does not mean the player and the team he played for never entered negotiations

That is the real flaw - no negotiations - the player should start by asking an amount above what the "engine" has predetermined the player will settle for. The owner can then make 3 offers - if any offer is at or above the predetermined "set point" the player signs. Three offers below the "set point" and the player files for free agency.

There would need to be a time/salary component so that contract length was not the determinant

The real flaw appears to be that the amount is pre-determined by Ovr and maybe not necessarily based on what amount was spent in player payroll the previous off-season, how much player payroll is coming off the books when the player becomes a free agent, and what top players are being paid.

Take Cameron Stewart (all-star/MVP CF) in our league for instance. Possibly the best player in the league. We just watched Wilson Skinner, a great-hitting 1B get paid 18 mill per season. Is there any reason he shouldn't ask for at least that?

Of course, Cameron Stewart won't re-sign, so he will be hitting the open market. But Parker Wilson and Vic Clarke are also quite good and are re-signing for potentially what could be considered a discount.

Who knows if it's a discount or not, but the fact is if I'm willing to re-sign a guy to the deal means there's at least one team that will pay that price. What if there are 5 more teams willing to pay that price and more?

It's fine that players sign deals before hitting FA, but there needs to be more logic behind what their asking price is.

We'll see if the next update really does anything about this.

mine never resign

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Quote: Originally Posted By Fregoe on 10/07/2009mine never resig

Every player can be locked up for 10 MLB seasons minus 23 games. No exceptions.

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Quote: Originally posted by plague on 10/06/2009I would be willing to bet in real life that most players agents give the GM a target dollar amount they would sign to avoid free agency.. [/QUOTE]That's the fundamental flaw in the, not enough top FA, whine threads they whiners never think that guys will opt to not go to FA to sign an extesion earlier than their final season, they neglect the impact of the security arguement in a players decision matrix. Example, do i sign a guaranteed $100M contract in ST before my final season, or do i gamble that i will be healthy all season and have a career year to increase that to maybe $120-160M in FA. The flawed assumption some users have is that everyone opts for FA, in RL that just isn't true.

That would be an ok argument if these players were signing for appropriate money. They're not. They're signing at huge discounts, which helps the teams that have them by 1) not giving other teams a crack at them and 2) giving these teams substantial flexibility. If they re-signed for appropriate money, it would be another issue

Define appropriate money? If a league in general has strong owners who don't pay 20M then appropriate money is likley close to what they already get, and you're saying, "hey all these guys should be overpaid!". Just because someone in one league is willing to pay 20M for someone does not mean that is true in all leagues, what you are therefore asking for is enforced rules that impact all world because some think salaries are too low, given budgets in some worlds. It does not follow that it is true for all or even the majority.

In addition ML teams have financial flexibility to defer/discount monies owed to players, offer inducements equivalent to $ amounts in contracts, move budgets, take out loans, spend more on salary than HBD allows in total. If you think players are resigning for too little the answer is to change the demands not say, "all these guys need to go to FA".

Exactly. Some of you are saying "I'd pay that guy or that guy 5y/110m on the open market" and acting as if that's appropriate money. As I said earlier, each world is different. The program is the same. There are going to be some discrepancies but you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

"If you think players are resigning for too little the answer is to change the demands not say, "all these guys need to go to FA"."

I don't really see anyone arguing that everyone needs to go to free agency. We all seem to agree that changing the demands is the answer.

And I don't think you know what the demands should be in my worlds. Your world may have owners who pay 20m per for players. My worlds may not. My worlds may have one rogue owner who grossly overpays because he doesn't have anything to do with cash. Your world may have a dozen unsigned Type A because no one wants to lose a pick.

WifS can't program for all worlds independently.