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Bad things?
1/7/2010 11:30 AM
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If you were hoping to win by hitting multiple 3-run homers per game, yes.
1/7/2010 11:33 AM
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I think you can see from my record that I have no hope of winning.
1/7/2010 11:39 AM
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1/7/2010 11:46 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 1/07/2010Au contraire.
Shaving a sliver off power so that homers slide down a little is child's play, you just need to size the sliver correctly. The right size sliver of homers become triples, a sliver of triples become doubles, a sliver of doubles become singles. Homers go down by X%, triples and doubles are unchanged, singles rise by X% ... that looks a lot like what happened, doesn't it ... exactly what happened
Well, admin did say that only home runs were being changed into other kinds of hits (triples, doubles, home runs). No mention of triples becoming doubles, doubles becoming singles, etc.

While it may make sense that's the way it probably should have been implemented, that's not how they said said they did it.
1/7/2010 12:00 PM
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This isn't rocket science. Wouldn't it stand to reason that the big power hitters would be hitting more doubles/triples and less homers if homers were becoming doubles/triples? They aren't.

So, since that's not the case, let's move down the line. Wouldn't it stand to reason that triples hitters, who didn't hit many homers, would be getting more doubles? They aren't.

So, and this is the final piece of the puzzle, wouldn't it stand to reason that doubles hitters, who didn't hit many homers/triples, would hit less doubles? They aren't.

Obviously, since you're looking at individual players(and we know that's a small sample size disaster waiting to happen), there's a lot of room for error. But what is happening is what it happening. The only noticable change in hitting is coming from the big power guys. And they are hitting less homers, more singles.
1/7/2010 12:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/07/2010While it may make sense that's the way it probably should have been implemented,[A] ... that's not how they said said they did it. [B]
A. Good reasons to believe they did it differently. However, I still think they did it the simplest and most direct way, as I indicated above. Hopping homers over other extra base hits down to singles, leaving doubles and triples alone and manipulating singles to fit the new program just makes no sense. That's probably why it is such a popular idea with some of the forum regulars, BTW.

B. They haven't said HOW they did it, have they?
1/7/2010 12:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 1/07/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 1/07/2010
While it may make sense that's the way it probably should have been implemented,[A] ... that's not how they said said they did it. [B]
A. Good reasons to believe they did it differently. However, I still think they did it the simplest and most direct way, as I indicated above. Hopping homers over other extra base hits down to singles, leaving doubles and triples alone and manipulating singles to fit the new program just makes no sense. That's probably why it is such a popular idea with some of the forum regulars, BTW.

B. They haven't said HOW they did it, have they?

In tz s thread from Monday afternoon, he refers specifically to the "home run formula", not the "power" formula. That implies to me that it's only home runs that were impacted, i.e. transformed into other hits.
1/7/2010 12:43 PM
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You may wish to infer something from his casual use of that phrase as he tries to put the matter in lay language.

When he wasn't simplifying his language in that way, here's what he said, specifically: "The change was not immediate for all players. It was phased in so that when each player hit their first development cycle after the update, their underlying power numbers used in the engine were then updated."

You may cling to an illogical explanation all you want, that is your prerogative. I'll side with logical. We may have to agree to disagree.
1/7/2010 1:20 PM
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I'd like to see WIS add a little note in the box score showing how many feet the HR traveled. It's commonplace on TV, and could serve as a good supplier of bragging rights.
1/21/2010 9:48 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/07/2010
The only noticable change in hitting is coming from the big power guys. And they are hitting less homers, more singles.



Anecdotally anyway, homers are not only down for the few mashers I have in my system, but for the guys with good numbers across the board (i.e. 70+ splits and 70-80 power with good contact too). Home runs are down substantially as a team. Obviously there is randomness and my teams (both of them) could be outliers, but it appears that the change is affecting even the good power guys, not just the elite.

1/21/2010 10:17 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 1/21/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/07/2010
The only noticable change in hitting is coming from the big power guys. And they are hitting less homers, more singles
Anecdotally anyway, homers are not only down for the few mashers I have in my system, but for the guys with good numbers across the board (i.e. 70+ splits and 70-80 power with good contact too). Home runs are down substantially as a team. Obviously there is randomness and my teams (both of them) could be outliers, but it appears that the change is affecting even the good power guys, not just the elite
Yes, and that is what I would expect from their description of what they did: "The change was not immediate for all players. It was phased in so that when each player hit their first development cycle after the update, their underlying power numbers used in the engine were then updated."
1/22/2010 12:07 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 1/21/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/07/2010

The only noticable change in hitting is coming from the big power guys. And they are hitting less homers, more singles.



Anecdotally anyway, homers are not only down for the few mashers I have in my system, but for the guys with good numbers across the board (i.e. 70+ splits and 70-80 power with good contact too). Home runs are down substantially as a team. Obviously there is randomness and my teams (both of them) could be outliers, but it appears that the change is affecting even the good power guys, not just the elite.





It depends on what you consider big/good power guys. There was no way that, and I'm just using random numbers because we don't know what was actually done, WifS reduced 90 power guy by 5% and not the guy he became(85.5). In other words, the 85 guy had to also be reduced. Maybe he was reduced by 3%. At some point, they could stop reducing as the difference was neglible.
1/22/2010 6:08 AM
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