Quote: Originally posted by schroedess26 on 2/01/2010Honestly I always thought at least the top 4 seeds should get a bye the first round. Having the 13-16 teams play a play in game is a good idea in my mind. It would add 32 teams and eliminate all the auto-bids from the actual tournament but would still give them the chance that we all want them to have.

Stupid. There is not 32 additional teams that deserve to make the tournament. Do you not understand that? It is an honor to make the tournament, adding any additional teams diminishes that. There is no reason to add more teams. Try and convince a level headed person that there should be more teams, on what basis does 66-anything have? There are not 32 more teams that deserve a chance to make it.

Well zhawks if we go on merit though, I personally believe that their should only be 16-32 teams in the tourney since those are the only ones that even have a chance at winning.

If I am looking from an entertainment point of view I think by adding the extra games I will actually get a lot more close games, which in the end is what I want. I love the buzzer beaters of the mid level teams. I can really care less about the #1/#2 seeds at all until the elite 8 basically.

In the end I can careless what they do, increase, decrease, or stay the same. I love march, from the first round of the Big Ten Tourney to the play-in game its all good in my book!

We would have to stop calling it March madness. This thing would take 2 months :)

Quote: Originally posted by schroedess26 on 2/01/2010Well zhawks if we go on merit though, I personally believe that their should only be 16-32 teams in the tourney since those are the only ones that even have a chance at winning.

If I am looking from an entertainment point of view I think by adding the extra games I will actually get a lot more close games, which in the end is what I want. I love the buzzer beaters of the mid level teams. I can really care less about the #1/#2 seeds at all until the elite 8 basically.

So do you think we should eliminate the automatic bids?

Expand to 68, but no more than that. That will give the play-in round a bit of substance, as opposed to one random game on a Tuesday when other games aren't played until Thursday. Anything more than that tarnishes the tournament.

Quote: Originally posted by jfinn19 on 2/01/2010

Quote: Originally posted by schroedess26 on 2/01/2010Well zhawks if we go on merit though, I personally believe that their should only be 16-32 teams in the tourney since those are the only ones that even have a chance at winning.
If I am looking from an entertainment point of view I think by adding the extra games I will actually get a lot more close games, which in the end is what I want. I love the buzzer beaters of the mid level teams. I can really care less about the #1/#2 seeds at all until the elite 8 basically.

So do you think we should eliminate the automatic bids?

There is 31 automatic bids each year and out of those 31 teams about 22 of them are the bottom of the bracket. Hence you have 9 teams that make it on their merits.

Take the bottom 16 teams of the automatic bids and have them play a 2 game playoff like the sweet 16 where you end up with 4 teams remaining.

These 4 teams are then 16 seeds and you go about the tournament the same way. You have everything the same except then you have just opened up 12 more seeds for at-large bids.

So you are arguing for both increasing and decreasing the field? How does that work.

I am simply saying from both points of view on my part. Entertainment I wants me to see more games in the tournament, I love the close games that more mid-levels would bring. On the other hand if you simply trying to crown someone as champion then go with a smaller field and be done with it. Most of the teams don't have a shot to ever win a NCAA tourney game.

You keep arguing that you don't want these mid-level teams in the tournament because they "won't win it all", so why would you want to see more of these games? That just doesn't make any sense.

I have said I have two different views on the subject.

1.) If this tournament is strictly for crowing the champion drop the auto-bids and go with a 16-32 team tournament. This is only if you just want a pure and simple crown the champion. Most people argue that we shouldn't add teams cause they won't have a chance so this is what we should do.

2.) If you want the tournament as a way to entertain people with great games with last second shots I say that we should get the mid-level teams into the tournament and have the auto-bids that have no chance at even winning a game in the tournament to have a play-in like I stated above where you take the 16 worst teams and get 4 teams out of them through a 2 game playoff the weekend before the tournament starts.

I view it as two different topics.

Either you want the tournament to be entertaining with upsets and buzzer beater shots where #12 wins. (All of which in the end won't matter for the final 4)

or

You want a crowning of a National Champion. (In which case 16 teams are really all you need but if you must you can take 32 to include that once in 10 years team that might come from the #6 seed like I have shown before)

64 is fine if they don't change its fine. I am simply putting out the 2 sides that you can go with really and trying to point out the good and bad of both really.

Quote: Originally posted by jfinn19 on 2/02/2010You keep arguing that you don't want these mid-level teams in the tournament because they "won't win it all", so why would you want to see more of these games? That just doesn't make any sense.

By the way if I had to choose I would rather have the mid-level teams in it. Like I said I don't even pay attention to the #1/#2 seeds until the elite 8 really anyways. I love the 8/9 and 7/10 match-ups we see in the first round.

Then why would you argue to change it?

Quote: Originally Posted By jfinn19 on 2/02/2010Then why would you argue to change it

His credibility in this argument has already been lost since he is arguing both ends of it.

Where have I said that I absolutely want either Zhawks? Please point that out... I have not, I even went back to make sure even and re-read what I wrote. I am not saying anything has to happen. I am just simply stating that if your for one view than this is what you do and if your for another view this is what you do.

This is not like the BCS which I absolutely say should be a tournament format of some sort.

Quote: Originally posted by schroedess26 on 2/02/2010I have said I have two different views on the subject.

1.) If this tournament is strictly for crowing the champion drop the auto-bids and go with a 16-32 team tournament. This is only if you just want a pure and simple crown the champion. Most people argue that we shouldn't add teams cause they won't have a chance so this is what we should do.

2.) If you want the tournament as a way to entertain people with great games with last second shots I say that we should get the mid-level teams into the tournament and have the auto-bids that have no chance at even winning a game in the tournament to have a play-in like I stated above where you take the 16 worst teams and get 4 teams out of them through a 2 game playoff the weekend before the tournament starts.