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2/18/2010 12:23 PM
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2/18/2010 12:33 PM
Then please explain. You haven't done so, you are just saying it leads to more ghost ships. Which it may, but I don't see that as any better than having simmie run a team. If it is a net gain to the HD population, that's what matters. It's not just about filling D3 it's about having more people at every level. If D3 has to take some overall quality hit for the potential get more individuals that will move up to the other divisions, where they are just as badly needed, it is a necessary evil.
2/18/2010 1:16 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 2/18/2010

1 - If you knew how m2m worked in HD, you'd know that there is very little correlation w. an individual matchup (per seble they're working to fix this). And no, it's not hard to take advantage of a defensive lapse in a press; in reality that sort of lapse would lead to an easy lay-up.

Further, we're talking about teams FILLED with subpar defenders like yours, so it's not as though it's one lazy defender getting bailed out because he's surrounded by a bunch of great ones.

2 - Totally wrong. (And this is where your blatant agenda pushing takes place, wanting to be able to preserve your only strategy of recruiting poor def guys. You fool no one.) The consensus opinion that has been prevelant for awhile is that sp/ath plays too big a role and def not big enough. The game is distorted right now, you can play good defense with a team full of guys that don't have good def rating. That speaks for itself.

And I "drop in from nowhere?" The title of this thread is "dalter's thread" and I've been one of the main participants. You responded to me. Perhaps we need to redefine what "dropping in from nowhere" means, huh? And everyone knows that you're agenda pushing, why bother putting up a razor-thin facade about it? There are very few people who are respected less here than you, what's the point of pretending?



1 I dont usually run MTM so if there needs to be an adjustment in that area it certainly could be done short of a massive overhaul impacting all areas of the game. I agree it is not hard to take advantage of a defensive lapse in press, the issue is what would cause a lapse. Is it a guy being caught out of position (Spd/Ath) or a fundemental issue (Def). And we are still talking about the team when we address Zone and press. The individuality is molded into a group.

2 I think that the game is just what it is designed to be. MTM is about Def, Press is about Spd and Ath. Why should Def become a dominant factor in the game at the cost of all other primary factors. Can you imagine a bunch of slow, clumsy technically sound players running a press with success? That is what MTM is for.

When I said "Drop in from nowhere" I meant in other forums, where a group would be having a discussion and you would drop in and slam me with no relavance. I understand your passion for our little feud, and afterall where would the Forums be without people like you. I just think when you call my posts self serving most people have a vision of a black pot screaming and a kettle laughing!
2/18/2010 2:25 PM
I don't drop in. You drop in, and the only times you magically appear are when you can make a post that furthers your agenda of keeping low def viable and saying the -5 works perfectly.

No one is suggesting they need to make a radical change, the def would become the dominant factor at the cost of all other primary factors, or that a bunch of slow, technically sounds players will become the best defenders.

Those assertions are at best a straw man, and at worst just utter nonsense that no one here has remotely suggested.

I'm simply saying that the importance of def should be amped up a bit, that I feel it is currently too low, and when you can trot out a team of below averaged defenders and still play good defense, that's pretty much Exhibit A.
2/18/2010 3:34 PM
Amen to your last statement
2/18/2010 4:48 PM
opinion retracted. There's no point in me getting worked up for something I have no control over.

2/19/2010 1:18 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 2/18/2010
I don't drop in. You drop in, and the only times you magically appear are when you can make a post that furthers your agenda of keeping low def viable and saying the -5 works perfectly.

No one is suggesting they need to make a radical change, the def would become the dominant factor at the cost of all other primary factors, or that a bunch of slow, technically sounds players will become the best defenders.

Those assertions are at best a straw man, and at worst just utter nonsense that no one here has remotely suggested.

I'm simply saying that the importance of def should be amped up a bit, that I feel it is currently too low, and when you can trot out a team of below averaged defenders and still play good defense, that's pretty much Exhibit A.

You do want slow clumsey guys to be better. I think it is clear that DEF has as much impact on preventing scoring as PER or LP has in scoring. If they were to lower overall DEF and make a def stud as rare as in real life I would have no problem with them having a bigger impact.

And I would never imply that one of two people discussing issues related to HD world was spouting utter nonsense just because I disagreed with him on a specific issue. I enjoy our little spats over technical issue.

The -5 is a dead issue. I already destroyed the myth of the -5 super defense while I still played it. I dropped the -5 and went on to have one of the best seasons ever last year with Purdue...odd that you always said my team sucked and couldnt win without the -5.

You are a classic drop in guy in some threads. You have tried to promote our feud and that is ok, just own up to it.

2/19/2010 2:02 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 2/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 2/18/2010

I don't drop in. You drop in, and the only times you magically appear are when you can make a post that furthers your agenda of keeping low def viable and saying the -5 works perfectly.

No one is suggesting they need to make a radical change, the def would become the dominant factor at the cost of all other primary factors, or that a bunch of slow, technically sounds players will become the best defenders.

Those assertions are at best a straw man, and at worst just utter nonsense that no one here has remotely suggested.

I'm simply saying that the importance of def should be amped up a bit, that I feel it is currently too low, and when you can trot out a team of below averaged defenders and still play good defense, that's pretty much Exhibit A.

You do want slow clumsey guys to be better. I think it is clear that DEF has as much impact on preventing scoring as PER or LP has in scoring. If they were to lower overall DEF and make a def stud as rare as in real life I would have no problem with them having a bigger impact.

And I would never imply that one of two people discussing issues related to HD world was spouting utter nonsense just because I disagreed with him on a specific issue. I enjoy our little spats over technical issue.

The -5 is a dead issue. I already destroyed the myth of the -5 super defense while I still played it. I dropped the -5 and went on to have one of the best seasons ever last year withPurdue...odd that you always said my team sucked and couldnt win without the -5.

You are a classic drop in guy in some threads. You have tried to promote our feud and that is ok, just own up to it.





Swamp, you lost in the second round of the PIT. Exaggerate, much?
2/19/2010 3:30 PM
lol emy, always good for a laugh :)
2/19/2010 5:22 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By dcy0827 on 2/19/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 2/19/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 2/18/2010

I don't drop in. You drop in, and the only times you magically appear are when you can make a post that furthers your agenda of keeping low def viable and saying the -5 works perfectly.

No one is suggesting they need to make a radical change, the def would become the dominant factor at the cost of all other primary factors, or that a bunch of slow, technically sounds players will become the best defenders.

Those assertions are at best a straw man, and at worst just utter nonsense that no one here has remotely suggested.

I'm simply saying that the importance of def should be amped up a bit, that I feel it is currently too low, and when you can trot out a team of below averaged defenders and still play good defense, that's pretty much Exhibit A.

You do want slow clumsey guys to be better. I think it is clear that DEF has as much impact on preventing scoring as PER or LP has in scoring. If they were to lower overall DEF and make a def stud as rare as in real life I would have no problem with them having a bigger impact.

And I would never imply that one of two people discussing issues related to HD world was spouting utter nonsense just because I disagreed with him on a specific issue. I enjoy our little spats over technical issue.

The -5 is a dead issue. I already destroyed the myth of the -5 super defense while I still played it. I dropped the -5 and went on to have one of the best seasons ever last year withPurdue...odd that you always said my team sucked and couldnt win without the -5.

You are a classic drop in guy in some threads. You have tried to promote our feud and that is ok, just own up to it.






Swamp, you lost in the second round of the PIT. Exaggerate, much?
Meant the year before last...this is my third year off the -5, and I am doing very well. Sometimes you just need the courage to do what you know is right. I knew the -5 didnt have anything to do with my success.
2/20/2010 12:50 AM
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2/20/2010 3:52 PM
Wait I think I figured it out myself - what you are basically saying is that defensive positioning does not matter.
2/20/2010 4:00 PM
1 I did build my team for the -5, but it turns out that it works better in the -3. Live and learn.

2 If defensive positioning doesnt matter why does everyone flip out when someone plays the -5?

3 I am pretty sure I have had success...Are you saying that anyone without an NT title is a loser?
2/21/2010 2:02 AM
You've won one NT game in your last 15 seasons at Purdue. If that is considered to be "successful", then you must have incredibly low standards.
2/21/2010 8:36 AM
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