Well, let's be honest here: Had everyone chimed in and agreed with him and heaped sympathy, he would not be complaining. So he's OK with responses, just as long as they're the responses he wants to see.

Honestly man, if you're just here to *****/gripe/vent as you say, that's hugely counterproductive to the forum/community. You've made it clear in the past that you're really just about colonels.
3/6/2010 8:50 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/06/2010
Of course I expected people to post here, but I didn't ask for help, I was pointing out what I thought was, and majority still do think was/is a BS result. I don't want coaching assistance and I didn't come here to find out what I did wrong, because largely this shouldn't have happened.

As far as which game the engine took a s*** in/on...I will still argue that its a lot more game 2 than game 1, mainly because of the high FG and 3FG percents and that the sim team played a ton better on the road than at home, when in fact just the opposite should probably happen.

Like I said, if you want to cut 20 points off of the game 1 deficit for game 2, I would have more than happily taken a 1 point victory, though that could be argued against as well probably. Bottom line is, a loss was HIGHLY improbable here, the factors were in my favor, and its the sim team that goes ape....lovely.



I just don't understand how you can say that a loss was "HIGHLY" improbable here, when the teams in question are, at best, even and in actuality, talent-wise, probably favor the Sim team when you look at them closely enough.

FD probably summed it up best by saying that you should have added a disclaimer stating that you were just venting in this thread and didn't want/need advice on what you did or didn't do correctly. Because......obviously I wasn't the only one who took your post the wrong way. It appears that just about EVERY coach who offered some advice before you stated that you didn't want any, took your post to mean the same thing that I did.

By the way, whether you want to accept any of the advice in this thread is, of course, totally up to you. You'd be a fool not to take some of it though, because there is some good info here. And accepting someone else's advice doesn't make you their "clone", but it just might make you a little better at the game. As such, we wouldn't have to go through all this nonsense again because if you would actually bother to accept some advice, you probably wouldn't have to post about the sim taking a s*** on your team since your team wouldn't be in that position anyway.

In short, grow up, listen to some of the people who may be more knowledgeable and accept some of their advice (even if you don't want to admit in public that you did. That way you get to keep your "loner" persona), quit being so hard-headed about everything, and most importantly, for once hear (and listen closely for it) that popping sound as you pull your head out of your *** and realize that the world isn't out to get you.
3/6/2010 9:09 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 3/06/2010
Well, let's be honest here: Had everyone chimed in and agreed with him and heaped sympathy, he would not be complaining. So he's OK with responses, just as long as they're the responses he wants to see.

Honestly man, if you're just here to *****/gripe/vent as you say, that's hugely counterproductive to the forum/community. You've made it clear in the past that you're really just about colonels.

I just wanted some acknowledgment that something went wrong here and the only person that has even remotely suggested it was fd343ny. If you disagree with me and supposedly "set me straight" that doesn't mean that the thread/argument/debate is over, there can be and are rebuttals to and for everything.

You can talk about my counterproductivity all you want, but if this thread is only for GOOD NEWS and no BAD NEWS, then I don't want to be apart of this propaganda-laiden community. Those who only see good good good with this game will never know/assume that there's anything wrong with it. This just in, the game isn't perfect....I present exhibit 6789....
3/6/2010 9:47 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 3/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/06/2010

Of course I expected people to post here, but I didn't ask for help, I was pointing out what I thought was, and majority still do think was/is a BS result. I don't want coaching assistance and I didn't come here to find out what I did wrong, because largely this shouldn't have happened.

As far as which game the engine took a s*** in/on...I will still argue that its a lot more game 2 than game 1, mainly because of the high FG and 3FG percents and that the sim team played a ton better on the road than at home, when in fact just the opposite should probably happen.

Like I said, if you want to cut 20 points off of the game 1 deficit for game 2, I would have more than happily taken a 1 point victory, though that could be argued against as well probably. Bottom line is, a loss was HIGHLY improbable here, the factors were in my favor, and its the sim team that goes ape....lovely.




I just don't understand how you can say that a loss was "HIGHLY" improbable here because of the aforementioned reasons that I've listed time and again., when the teams in question are, at best, even and in actuality, talent-wise, probably favor the Sim team when you look at them closely enough.

FD probably summed it up best by saying that you should have added a disclaimer stating that you were just venting in this thread and didn't want/need advice on what you did or didn't do correctly. Because......obviously I wasn't the only one who took your post the wrong way. It appears that just about EVERY coach who offered some advice before you stated that you didn't want any, took your post to mean the same thing that I did. Ok, this really isn't a big deal, it isn't like I'm ****** that people are giving advice...but in my defense, my post doesn't say help me, coaching advice, etc.

By the way, whether you want to accept any of the advice in this thread is, of course, totally up to you. You'd be a fool not to take some of it though, because there is some good info here. And accepting someone else's advice doesn't make you their "clone", but it just might make you a little better at the game. As such, we wouldn't have to go through all this nonsense again because if you would actually bother to accept some advice, you probably wouldn't have to post about the sim taking a s*** on your team since your team wouldn't be in that position anyway. I'm not convinced that I shouldn't have won that game...some nonsense you just can't justify. Certain people are disregarding vital information and just spewing what they know. The game isn't pristine.

In short, grow up, listen to some of the people who may be more knowledgeable and accept some of their advice (even if you don't want to admit in public that you did. That way you get to keep your "loner" persona), quit being so hard-headed about everything, and most importantly, for once hear (and listen closely for it) that popping sound as you pull your head out of your *** and realize that the world isn't out to get you. As far as I'm concerned, this isn't/wasn't really a coaching issue, it was/is a sim engine issue...the factors got more favorable for me...I came off a 21 point win against said team, was favored by 31 and lost by 2...at home...unacceptable.
3/6/2010 9:52 AM
So, yes, you just wanted to hear what you wanted to hear. If your conclusions were wrong (which they were) you didn't want to be made aware of it? How long have you been on these forums?
3/6/2010 9:56 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 3/06/2010So, yes, you just wanted to hear what you wanted to hear. I was simply griping about an unjust result If your conclusions were wrong (which they were) you didn't want to be made aware of it? You can bring up every last thing I did or didn't do...it doesn't necessarily justify the result. If you weren't aware, there are certain users on here that will/attempt to justify everything that happens in this game and I'm simply not one of those HD worshippers that does that. How long have you been on these forums?
3/6/2010 10:02 AM
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/06/2010I find this result extremely hard to stomach, regardless of the explanations that were given here.  Just because you may have made some valid points here, doesn't mean that I should just accept it, say you guys are right, own this loss, and move on, because regardless...I still think this is something that shouldn't have happened...I guess I wish some people would see/acknowledge my side because I tend to get the vibe that certain people are always trying to defend the game...coachbillyg even admitted to this.

Then the fact is you either don't understand HD or Real Basketball. Or in this case it appears both. Teams have great shooting nights, especially when one team is better then the other. Your argument here is lacking any factual basis other then the stats that you continue to spew out like they somehow prove you are right, and they don't.
3/6/2010 11:28 AM
And before you go all diablo on me and tell me "you never have anything new, always telling me i don't understand the game" The fact is you don't. It is very obvious. Once you understand that that is the case you can start to become a better coach, but while you continue to make excuses and believe that the engine is out to get you you won't be able to rationally use the data that proves why you were in the wrong to understand what you need to do next time.
3/6/2010 11:32 AM
I didn't say the engine was out to get me, I said it screwed me that game...those are rather different summations. I understand the game enough to know that I had been had in this 1 game...it happened...I'm undefeated against all the other sims I've played this season.
3/6/2010 11:50 AM
To be honest, at this point, I'm fine with letting it go and moving on. I essentially said everything I needed to say in post 1 and I do see your viewpoints and thank you for the advice for the future, but does that advice make me less prone to getting screwed too or no? I've HUAed your points, have you done the same for me?

Peace.
3/6/2010 11:53 AM
The thing is your points were way off, so it is hard for anyone to "HUA" when there isn't anything there that is a correct assumption. If you came in with a better team, we'd commisserate, but still say that it was just one game. We've all lost games we shouldn't have, ones we were rated much higher than the other teams and lost, so sims even, but that doesn't mean the engine is broken. Just because you are human playing a sim doesn't mean you win, you have a game planning advantage, that's it. If your team isn't ready for it, it doesn't matter. You weren't even screwed in this case, the real "screwing" happened the first game and that set you up to believe your own case. Sucks you lost, but it wasn't a case of the game providing a bizarre result. That's all we are saying.
3/6/2010 12:55 PM
Trevor, you constantly ***** about the Sim engine and how bad it is, how the game is not pristine, how it "took a s*** on me and my team", how the second game result can't be right because it's a different result from the first game, blah, blah, blah.......If it's that bad, if it's to the point were you can't stand it, then move along and find another game. It's that simple, bro. Why someone would continue to play a game that they consider so faulty is beyond me.

I've tried to be cordial in my posts and responses to you, but dude, don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out. Peace!
3/6/2010 5:10 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 3/06/2010
Trevor, you constantly ***** about the Sim engine and how bad it is, how the game is not pristine, how it "took a s*** on me and my team", how the second game result can't be right because it's a different result from the first game, blah, blah, blah.......If it's that bad, if it's to the point were you can't stand it, then move along and find another game. It's that simple, bro. Why someone would continue to play a game that they consider so faulty is beyond me. Well obviously it isn't to this point now is it? I don't constantly gripe about it, only when something weird happens, which I perceived to have happened this time around. Like I said, at this point I'm content to agree to disagree and move on here.

I've tried to be cordial in my posts and responses to you, but dude, don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out. Peace!

3/6/2010 5:43 PM
Then you are just being stubborn. There is nothing wierd about a team whose starters beat all of yours defensively and has better scorers at 3/5 positions beating you. They outrank you or are equal in all meaningful stats except blocking where you have a 2 pt overall advantage. You need to understand that. They just have better players and you were lucky to win the first game like you did.

There is sticking to a point and then there is just ignoring everything that points to the logical solution. I don't like being wrong either, but you don't have any reason to think this was a wrong outcome.
3/6/2010 6:37 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By doomey on 3/06/2010
Then you are just being stubborn. There is nothing wierd about a team whose starters beat all of yours defensively and has better scorers at 3/5 positions beating you. They outrank you or are equal in all meaningful stats except blocking where you have a 2 pt overall advantage. You need to understand that. They just have better players and you were lucky to win the first game like you did. Did you factor in that I have 3 walk-ons or no?

There is sticking to a point and then there is just ignoring everything that points to the logical solution. I don't like being wrong either, but you don't have any reason to think this was a wrong outcome.

3/6/2010 8:27 PM
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