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nymetman
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I'm sure if you gave WIS a way for the engine to differentiate between a 28 dur pitcher that shouldn't be hitting and a 28 dur DH that should be that they'd fix the "problem."
3/11/2010 1:40 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By nfet on 3/11/2010The problem here seems to be that he isn't listed as injured


Yep. What should happen is any player who plays at 0(0) for 3 games should be hit with a 7 day injury.

But this goes back to my "You're just lucky he's not injured."

And the whining would be fun.
3/11/2010 5:58 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/10/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By gjello10 on 3/10/2010
Mike- address the abandoned franchise concern, if you would. I'm a little concerned that having a team's entire crop of pitching prospects ruined is bad for the World. Would you feel good about this happening in a World you Commish? Also, does this happen when position players pitch? If not, shouldn't it, to prevent teams from skimping on pitchers in the minors?



Owners who take over abandoned teams are playing for free. It's their job to fix the problems that were created. Not beg WifS to fix them.

BRAVO, WIFS!!! BRAVO!!!!
I'm not worried about the replacement owner. I assume he's just a caretaker. I'm worried about the franchise/world.
3/11/2010 8:28 AM
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Well, you seem to think that prospects will be "ruined" by this. I disagree. Any player ruined by a season of inactivity would be a borderline prospect. A sure-fire HOFer might become an occassional All-Star and the occassional All-Star will become a solid BL player. It's not the end of the world. Again, it's no different than a 200 day injury. It just looks different.

This is the same as owners complaining about injuries on an off day. Would they be happier if the same injury occurred when the guy was playing? No. But they wouldn't come to the forums and complain.
3/11/2010 8:32 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/11/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By nfet on 3/11/2010
The problem here seems to be that he isn't listed as injured.



Yep. What should happen is any player who plays at 0(0) for 3 games should be hit with a 7 day injury.

But this goes back to my "You're just lucky he's not injured."

And the whining would be fun.
I really like this idea. I'm going to suggest it be added to the HBD Update Suggestions thread.
3/11/2010 8:45 AM
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Might destroy a poorly run BL team. But it would solve this particular problem.
3/11/2010 8:53 AM
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It would solve other problems as well, I think.
3/11/2010 8:54 AM
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But it could create an unsolvable problem. Want to know what it is?
3/11/2010 8:56 AM
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I have a follow up question: If you change a pitcher to a position player, does his Dur rating become a pp's Dur rating, allowing him to play everyday? I ask b/c I've got a draft coming up, and there's a crap P who projects as a pretty nice defensive catcher, with one not-aweful split to boot. Was going to take a late round flyer and do the conversion to see what happens.
3/11/2010 8:58 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/11/2010But it could create an unsolvable problem. Want to know what it is
Sure
3/11/2010 9:02 AM
MikeT23
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I'm pretty sure the engine recognized him as a pitcher and treats him as such.

A cap-tight team gets into a BL fatigue jam(probably thru incompetence). He ends up with some 0(0) pitchers. They end up pitching despite being on rest. They become injured. The rest of the staff soon follows the same pattern. Owner is forced to pitch position players because he can't call anyone up. He loses every game down the stretch.

One team losing every game during the playoff race is really bad for a world.
3/11/2010 9:12 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by plague on 3/10/2010
I understand you like the rule. Don't try and BS us by justifying it as realistic to protect from injuries. Pitchers rarely get injured because they bat.

The reason pitchers in the A.L. do not bat is because position players are much better hitters than pitchers. If Roger Clemens was a .350 hitter with power he would of been batting through out his career and probably would of played a position ala John Olerud. Instead most pitchers are .200 hitters or worst and that is why they do not bat.

Fear of injuries is indeed the primary reason pitchers can't/don't hit. Pitchers hit .200 in the Bigs because they never get much opportunity in the minors to hit. They are protected from risk of injury.

Pitchers are harder to find and more valuable than position players. So those who can't pitch play the field. And those who can pitch are pampered and coddled.

Rick Ankiel may be the poster child for this argument. He can hit. Anyone really know that before he became 'Wild Thing'? I don't remember him being used as a DH or Pinch Hitter. Nope, not until he couldn't pitch. Then they cared about his bat.

3/11/2010 10:27 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by eddy02 on 3/11/2010
Quote: Originally posted by plague on 3/10/2010I understand you like the rule. Don't try and BS us by justifying it as realistic to protect from injuries. Pitchers rarely get injured because they bat.

The reason pitchers in the A.L. do not bat is because position players are much better hitters than pitchers. If Roger Clemens was a .350 hitter with power he would of been batting through out his career and probably would of played a position ala John Olerud. Instead most pitchers are .200 hitters or worst and that is why they do not bat.
Fear of injuries is indeed the primary reason pitchers can't/don't hit. Pitchers hit .200 in the Bigs because they never get much opportunity in the minors to hit. They are protected from risk of injury.

Pitchers are harder to find and more valuable than position players. So those who can't pitch play the field. And those who can pitch are pampered and coddled.

Rick Ankiel may be the poster child for this argument. He can hit. Anyone really know that before he became 'Wild Thing'? I don't remember him being used as a DH or Pinch Hitter. Nope, not until he couldn't pitch. Then they cared about his bat.




The reason the DH came into existence was not because of injuries, it was because major league baseball wanted more offense. Pitchers were considered outs. The N.L. rejected the idea of the DH because they felt the Pitcher batting was a long tradition and should not be changed.. Injuries was never the factor and to date is still not the primary reason. If you have a choice between a .280 hitter with power, or a .150 hitter who bunts the choice is easy and that is why pitchers do not bat. Pitchers on average have been a poor hitters for 100+ years even when there was no DH
3/11/2010 4:15 PM
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So you know exactly what each and every team fears?

AL teams don't want their pitchers hitting because they don't know how. They'd much rather have them on the mound than in the box. Between the fact that they're less effective and are much more likely to get injured doing something they suck at, pitchers don't hit. Quit pretending as if teams aren't the least bit worried about injury when a pitcher steps to the plate. I forget who it was but he wanted to switch-hit. The team said "No, you will not expose your pitching arm like that" and the experiment was over.
3/11/2010 4:41 PM
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I don't think I said anything about fears. What I said is that the reason hitters bat instead of pitchers is because a team would rather have a .280 hitter with power than a .150 hitter who bunts, not because of pitcher injuries. That is a no brainer, if a pitcher can hit .350 with power he would be batting fear of injury or not. If the N.L. truly feared pitcher injuries they would change the rule to the D.H....Football feared QB injuries so they made rules to protect the QB.

I don't know if that quote is true or not but I can see why a team would not want a pitcher to experiment switch hitting, why switch hit when your primarily get out or bunt. Everything is risk vs reward, if there is no reward why take any risk at all. I bet you if the team thought that pitcher could hit .300 with power they would of green lit that move.

Don Robinson use to pinch hit on occasion because he was a good hitting pitcher. When leagues were discussing the adaption of moving to the D.H. it was not because of injuries.
3/11/2010 5:17 PM
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