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4/27/2010 11:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 4/27/2010looking at the last 3 NBA drafts it looks like approx. 4 -6 underclassmen from non big 6 schools get drafted. don't know the HD numbers. one thing we don't get in HD which would definitely create chaos is the one and done epidemic in the NBA draft. way more frosh. go IRL then in HD, that's for sure
maybe this more relevant post is better for you z. i was just doing the research. take it for what it is.
4/28/2010 10:11 AM
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Well, since this got off topic anyhow and I like the discussions which look at different dynasties in different worlds I decided to do a comparison. Two things before I start. 1) OR has been at Uconn much longer than Clone at Iowa St. so overall the more impressive dynasty is OR's because of the longer term nature of same which after my comparison tacked on another 5 title game appearances and 3 more titles; 2) After compaing the UCONN dynasty to Iowa States (I only used each coaches first 12 years as thats Clones tenure) I think OLDavey is far off when he puts UConn in its own place.

Here we go:

1) Clone took over in season 32/Naismith; OR took over UConn in Season 14/Tark. Clone took over a middle tier school in a Big 6 conference. OR took over an Elite in a Big 6 conference. OR was UConn's first coach and DI in Tark was far less developed at the time OR took over compared to Clone;

2) Prestige at Iowa St. was C+; Prestige at UConn was an A;

3) No post season for ISU in 4 years prior; No post Season for UConn 3 years prior.

4) Clones record 290-94; OR 306-75;

5) Both made the NT in 11/12 seasons;

6) Both appeared in 5 title games and at one point 3 straight (Clone 1-2 in those 3; OR 3-0);

7) Clone won 3 titles in 12 seasons; OR won 5;

8) Clone advanced to the Sweet 16 or further in 9/12 seasons; OR did it in 8/12;

9) Clone 9 conference titles; OR 6 conference titles;

10) Clone 3 CT titles; OR 5 CT titles (I think this statistic really proves how random the CT is!!!).

The stats are almost dead even with OR having a slight advantage; however, I think when comparing the totality of the situations, given the circumstances or both programs generally I think the comparison is a wash. Granted OR has almost 20 additional seasons under his belt and Clone might never be able to sustain the current level but given the comparable period I think they are pretty much even. This same comparison coulda been made with some of Gil's teams or LM2s or the others mentioned earlier in the thread. I happen to be in Clone's conference and one of his victims several times in the NT prior to joining; so decided to use him.
4/28/2010 12:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 4/28/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 4/27/2010
looking at the last 3 NBA drafts it looks like approx. 4 -6 underclassmen from non big 6 schools get drafted. don't know the HD numbers. one thing we don't get in HD which would definitely create chaos is the one and done epidemic in the NBA draft. way more frosh. go IRL then in HD, that's for sure.
maybe this more relevant post is better for you z. i was just doing the research. take it for what it is
Personally, I don't think it's relevant.
4/28/2010 1:50 PM
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I'm fine with EE as long as there is some logic to it but I guess that's the whole point. It doesn't alway make sense.

When a player is maxed out at the key skill ratings for their position it makes sense they would leave. In fact, without EE's the elite teams would be even more dominant than they are now. At the same time, there are examples that really stand out and make it frustrating. When marginally ready players leave and some absolute locks for the NBA stay you wonder what's going on. UNC in Phelan had a SF not too long ago that stayed and it made no sense. He had the ratings and the stats and the postseason success. He eneded up coming back with a 1000+ rating going into his Sr season. Talk about the rich getting richer.
4/28/2010 1:59 PM
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looked in here expecting a very diff topic, don't venture into the forums much any longer. My 2 cents, lost, billy, clone, others all are far more impressive, as they largely are doing so with EVERY team they have, while I largely have done in just in tark.

I have never added it up, but I would guess my win loss recored in title games is terrible other than tark (where I also won a bunch with an alias), I also would guess I have lost double or triple the number of game 35's than any other coach, easily could be 20 or more losses in title games.

A little history - others may add more ....

Many of you might not remember, but the first star coach at this was named plumpy, he got to d1 first, got to duke in d1, and won the first d3 title in tark (I think) - he was the bobby jones of HD.

Several great coaches followed him, but I probably burst on the scene in the jack nicklaus era of HD.

But lost, billy, clone maybe a couple of others (Tanner in world 2), they are all tiger woods like in how they win at this.

Maybe seble could start a senior tour for guys like me so we can return to glory???

LOL - good luck to all - nice to poke my nose into the discussion.
4/28/2010 2:11 PM
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I realize you're just trying to be humble OR, but I think we all know that you're right at the top, and all-time are the best.

Might be off base a little here, but I kind of got the impression that you may have been experiencing a little HD burnout (I go through it from time to time also). My thinking is that, when everyone is being serious with their teams, that you're probably the coach that I'd LEAST like to face in a NT game. I've had a little success against LM and CBG, but I could never seem to get a win against you when I really needed to (although I think we've only played in the NT a couple of times across various worlds, including with my dcy alias).

I meant no disprespect at all towards you when I said that I thought LM was the best, what I meant was that I thought he was the best at this point. All-time though, I still think you're number one!!!
4/28/2010 4:23 PM
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Sure emy, backpedal now. It's too late ... you've already incurred the wrath of OR. No one can help you now.
4/28/2010 4:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 4/28/2010
Sure emy, backpedal now. It's too late ... you've already incurred the wrath of OR. No one can help you now.



I know, I know, I'm just hoping I don't have to face OR in a game anytime soon. If I do, I feel a 40 point beating coming.....
4/28/2010 4:27 PM
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You're also lucky that OR's not a vindictive guy.

Still, I wouldn't go after a recruit within, say, 1,450 miles of his school for a little while.
4/28/2010 5:22 PM
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4/28/2010 7:36 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by namshub on 4/27/2010looking at the last 3 NBA drafts it looks like approx. 4 -6 underclassmen from non big 6 schools get drafted.  don't know the HD numbers.  one thing we don't get in HD which would definitely create chaos is the one and done epidemic in the NBA draft.  way more frosh. go IRL then in HD, that's for sure.

internationals are so many in the nba draft it skews all numbers relative to HD. Its hard to compare the 2 drafts.
4/28/2010 7:44 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by samsteele on 4/28/2010I'm fine with EE as long as there is some logic to it but I guess that's the whole point.  It doesn't alway make sense.  When a player is maxed out at the key skill ratings for their position it makes sense they would leave.  In fact, without EE's the elite teams would be even more dominant than they are now.  At the same time, there are examples that really stand out and make it frustrating.  When marginally ready players leave and some absolute locks for the NBA stay you wonder what's going on.  UNC in Phelan had a SF not too long ago that stayed and it made no sense.  He had the ratings and the stats and the postseason success.  He eneded up coming back with a 1000+ rating going into his Sr season.  Talk about the rich getting richer.

I had that as well at UI. a SF came back over 1000 rated and an 800 rated went EE. Made no sense.
4/28/2010 7:47 PM
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7) Clone won 3 titles in 12 seasons; OR won 5;





nuff said.
4/28/2010 10:19 PM
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and thats even overlooking the fact that we are just dismissing OR's 3 or 4 other titles.

i dont care what anyone says.... there is only one uberdynasty in HD. i invented the word, here it is in the oldaveDictionary --

uberDynasty- n. (ooo-ber-die-nas-tee) An incredibly dominant team on par with the Celtics of the 1960's, UCLA of the 1970's or the Bulls of the 1990's. In HoopsDynasty, the only known uberDynasty is Tark-Uconn coached by oldresorter.
4/28/2010 10:24 PM
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