Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/28/2010I'm not paying a dime for this season, actually, although I did pay a bit of money for the next.

And sorry, the statement "it is mine to be disgusted that they have the nerve to treat their customers in that manner" just doesn't fly, considering that this is how they've been treating their customers the entire time you've been playing the game.

Something must be different to get this kind of reaction out of you. And if it's not the fact that the press defense you've built your success on appears to have been nerfed, then what is it


Two quick things so we dont simply go round and round all day:

To your second paragraph, they made it sound like we werent going to be treated in the same manner as in the past. Now maybe when potential came along the first time I was still new enough to not be made privy to beta testing but it was my understanding they simply rolled it our.

Here, Seble claimed he'd be doing things differently, his communication and beta test (the idea of it not the actual implementation) gave me hope that things were different. Its not that I was accepting of the old way; rather, I had hopes that things would change.

As to your last paragraph it really goes back to my original post which started this entire conversation between us. I find the entire process a joke and the May 27th update threw me over the edge. People complain, baam they change. It does not give you the ability to plan for the future. Also, it is laughable to me that despite the patience we've exhibited people are willing to pay to beta test.

Going back to Dalters point; its one thing if there are minor tweaks here and there; these however are not simply minor for the previously mentioned reasons.

Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 5/28/2010Look, all the whining is not going to make this better.

We are talking tweaks after 2 real games.

There were a couple of fouls too many and guys got a little too tired.

Those are certainly tweaks.

If you don't like the game, stop paying for it. Quit.

And when you quit ... tell them why.

However, this is most certainly just tweaks

Quote: Originally Posted By mniven on 5/28/2010
Back to the discussion about the 5/27 update:

After looking over a bunch of boxscores, they definitely overtweaked to fix the fatigue/pressing problems. I saw very few occasions in which players on pressing teams went into the orange and almost none into the red, which frankly is ridiculous. In the old engine players frequently went into the orange and red, which makes total sense.

So, basically, all the coaches running a FCP, which is about 80% of HD users, ***** loudly and they totally tweak the engine after a handful of games? Talk about knee-jerk.

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 5/28/2010No matter how much beta testing was done, if it was a full YEAR of beta testing, there woudl have been errors when it first came out to be corrected.

And saying that it was an overcorrection based on ONE game is. . . well. . .

Quote: Originally Posted By mmt0315 on 5/28/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/28/2010

Again, to say I don't get it is to completely ignore my previous post and whole persona here. Give me at least a smidgen of credit here. I get it. I agree that the beta was botched and they rolled it out too early. My goal is to help fix things. Period.




I get your goal, I dont get your approach. It seems you and I mostly agree. I just think the approach needs to be uproar and rage in that this crap shouldnt be happening and is unacceptable.

I done the uproar and rage thing (as much or more than anyone here)

Your approach is accepting and trying to work through the crap.

Not accepting, no. Trying to work through the crap, yes.

I mean seriously in abouta week Naismith is going to roll over...do we want (and is it needed) for the new engine to be put in there as well. If more of you vets got angry, ****** and stopped taking it;

I'm angry, and I don't just take it. Stop saying that, it's just 100% wrong.

trust me this crap engine wouldnt be put into another world until its ready. But you all just go along for the ride. That's the problem. That's where Im saying you dont get it. Trust me I know there are no bigger advocates for fixing the game than you OR and a couple of others...but your approach is broken.

What's clear is that you just don't have any idea what my approach actually entails. I was one of, if not the, loudest angry voices during the beta. I've maintained a consistent dialogue with seble over the last week or two on these issues.

You're acting like I've come out and said, "Let's just roll over and take it, poor us" and that couldn't be farther from the truth.

I'm just looking for the most constructive approach to accomplish my objective. That can include some ********, absolutely, but incessant ******** with no upside is not what yields results. You need to get that.

I've acknowledged over and over that the beta wasn't done properly and that the new engine was rolled out before it was ready. Now the question is: How do we fix things?

Quote: Originally posted by mmt0315 on 5/28/2010As to your last paragraph it really goes back to my original post which started this entire conversation between us. I find the entire process a joke and the May 27th update threw me over the edge. People complain, baam they change. It does not give you the ability to plan for the future.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/28/2010The metaphor I'd use is tuning a radio on a long car trip, if you young 'uns remember what it was like back in the day before satellite radio and digital tuners. You know roughly where the station you want is on the dial, but it takes some knob-twiddling back and forth before you actually get a strong signal.

Right now, we're in the knob-twiddling stage

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 5/28/2010No matter how much beta testing was done, if it was a full YEAR of beta testing, there woudl have been errors when it first came out to be corrected.

And saying that it was an overcorrection based on ONE game is. . . well. . .