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Mantle, unsigned draftees last season:
R1-R5:   12 P, 28 PP
R6-R10:  22 P, 33 PP
R11-R15:  29 P, 37 PP
R16-R20: 32 P, 35 PP
R21-R25:  36 P, 36 PP

Pitchers steadily increased, position players remained relatively constant.   To me, that indicates that owners don't sign non-legit BL pitching prospects because they can fill out minor league rosters with TC pitchers.    PP remained constant because the owners that care about their minors sign PP draftees regardless of skill.   I expect we'll see PP run the same patterns as pitchers now. 
11/16/2011 8:46 AM
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Ive found some decent TC pitchers.  They sure as hell are better than my 25th round RP with single digit splits.  The 25th rounder would also cost 15k prospect money, where the TC guy is only 8k.  Tec's idea was good.  Plus having IFA's carry over from season to season would help.
11/16/2011 9:23 AM
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That's the attitude I'm talking about.   You'll sign a crappy TC player over a crappy draftee to save 15k.   The same will apply to position players now. 
11/16/2011 9:27 AM
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Playing devil's advocate here. 

Who cares if someone does that?
Why should it matter at all?
11/16/2011 9:43 AM
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No one.  But why have a 25 round draft where 50% of the players won't be signed?   Just shorten the draft and send the undrafted players to the minor league FA pool.   Hence the suggestion made in this thread. 
11/16/2011 9:50 AM
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What I don't see in all of this discussion, is what would be the benefit of shortening the draft, or conversely, what is the harm in keeping at at 25?
11/16/2011 9:51 AM
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I don't think you can send unsigned college freshman to the FA pool. They're going back to school.

Maybe all unsigned or undrafted 22 yr olds sure.
11/16/2011 9:54 AM
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I proposed something in another thread, don't remember which one, but I'll repeat it here.

Tie DITR's to the draft.  Only allow DITR's to be bestowed upon draftees . . . tryout camp guys and IFA's are ineligible to become DITR's.

You get one DITR for every 4 draftees you sign beyond the 5th round.  Sign all twenty 6th through 25th rounders, you get 5 DITR's.  If you only sign your 6th through 10th round picks, you only get 1 DITR.  Don't sign anybody beyond the 5th round, you get nada.

An additional restriction: only draftees who are still with the franchise that drafted them, and who have been promoted to a level appropriate to their experience, are eligible for DITR.

This suggestion encourages both (a) signing your draftees, and (b) promoting them (to reduce risk of retirement).  DITR is your reward for doing what you should be doing.

11/16/2011 9:55 AM
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The benefit is increasing the FA player pool.  Don't really have a harm.   It's just pointless to keep it at 25.  WifS is creating 1000 players for a draft.   75% of them are going to go unsigned/undrafted.   Seems like sending those to a FA pool, where they'd be in the real world, is the way to go. 

I'm not really adverse to releasing the unsigned players into the FA pool when the regular season ends.   I just think, under the current draft program and couple with the new tryout camp PP, that players/pitchers drafted after round 5 or 6 are going to go unsigned.   Is there harm in that?  Nope.   But why have a draft?  Why not just extend the draft to 100 rounds if there's no harm?
11/16/2011 9:56 AM
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Going back to school doesn't mean you won't sign a baseball contract.    I was undrafted and went to college.  I'd have held off my education if a team had shown up and said "Hey, why don't you give baseball a shot?  Sign this."
11/16/2011 9:58 AM
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Right.

I don't know why WIS chose 25. I assume it's due to the 25 man roster thing.

But I'm only against them spending effort and resources to change an arbitrary, meaningless number to another arbitrary, meaningless number.

I would love to see the undrafted/unsigned go the FA pool route.
Also would love to see the young guys getting to go to the FA pool rather than retiring because someone didn't promote in a timely manner.
It is stupid to think a 20 yr old with 70s across the board would "retire" rather than let other teams give him a chance.
11/16/2011 10:06 AM
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Well, not that we always have to mirror real life, but in real-life, that's the only choice a player would have if the organization isn't willing to release him.  You have to have 6 years in the minors to be a free agent.
11/16/2011 10:13 AM
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While the owner would get what he deserved, it would suck to lose a good player due to lack of promotion only to have him sign with a rival.  But, if a player never signs, there's no reason to expect him to disappear into the wild blue yonder while the tryout camps remain full. 
11/16/2011 10:17 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/16/2011 10:17:00 AM (view original):
While the owner would get what he deserved, it would suck to lose a good player due to lack of promotion only to have him sign with a rival.  But, if a player never signs, there's no reason to expect him to disappear into the wild blue yonder while the tryout camps remain full. 

The way it works right now, you lose the player anyways because he retires due to lack of promotion.  With my suggestion, he's just lost to the team that neglected him but not to the world.  If he signs with a rival . . . too bad.

11/16/2011 10:33 AM
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Losing the player, fine.  Losing him to a rival, not so fine.  Especially if you're taking over a project.   Players retire before you have a chance to do anything.  Yay!!!  The owner(s) I'm trying to catch get stronger at the expense of my team's previous owner.
11/16/2011 10:38 AM
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