Posted by caesari on 3/5/2012 11:21:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by dukenilnil on 3/5/2012 11:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/5/2012 10:58:00 PM (view original):
I'm confused by your post duke. All of those coaches have much more extensive resume than you do, not to mention years of assistant coaching experience.

Brownell coached UNC Wilmington and Wright State, so 2 job switches and 8 seasons, before he got to Clemson. 
Jay Wright coached Hofstra to numerous NT appearances

Seth Greenberg is relevant?!? He coached D1 for like 15 years before the VA tech job. 

Have you even bothered to check my resume?  I also coached at Morris Brown, a D1 school.   I'm sure you'll make up another reason in reason.  As I said, there are dozens more examples of coaches at D1 schools who had zero NT success before getting the Big 6 job.  But, really, real life is irrelevant to whether the recruiting logic here picks the best coaches, it doesn't.

It's ok, though.  You guys belittled Skunk before too when he made comments about D1 recruiting.  He is now the hero of this thread because people need to put me down.  He is rightfully considered a great coach,  one of the best and a good guy too.  However, when you and others acted like he was out of his mind for thinking he knew how to coach or recruit Big 6 since he wasn't there.  Some Big 6 coaches (not most, just the loudest), think they are some gift to WIS and no one else knows what they are doing.  The recruiting engine and game engine is the same folks.  If you know how to win at D3, you know how to win at D2, and you know how to win at D1.  One more season or 1 more campus, won't make me any better.  I learned the game at D3 as did many fine coaches.  Everything is basically the same, same formulas, same engines, just more money. There are recruiting battles in D3, especially Socal and Heartland Knight and USA South Phelan.   Skunk, myself, and many others recruited nationally in D3 which is no small feat with the small cash there.  I have been in recruiting battles with the ACC and other Big 6 at JMU, won some expensive battles and lost some, as I would at an ACC school.  These qualifications the engine has and that some coaches feel are right are arbitrary and don't actually prove any knowledge of the game, they are just designed to protect the entrenched.  

You didn't coach at Morris Brown in Knight.

I think the point people are trying to make is that you a longer D1 resume in ONE world before being qualified for a Big 6 job. And that holds true to real life...

Yes he did. Go back a few pages on his resume, season 30ish range.

Oh ok...my mistake.

Posted by fmschwab on 3/6/2012 12:45:00 AM (view original):
dukenilnil:  "If you know how to win at D3, you know how to win at D2, and you know how to win at D1".

This statement is totally and completely wrong and right there shows you don't really yet know what you're talking about when it comes to DI. The fact is that DI recruiting is a very different animal than D2/D3.

But the bottom line is that you have really done anything at DI yet to deserve a BCS gig. Sorry.

(And I would say that you and skunk are either one person, or perhaps are simply friends outside of HD. I'd bet on one of the two.)

You're right Duke and I are the same person. You caught on to our master scheme.

I would tend to agree with schwab's guess, that it's one of the two. (I mean, even just the fact that you rarely post and then as soon as duke is in a little hot water, you're on there, he's followed you at numerous schools. Not sure if you're the same person, but there's a connection of some kind.)

Didn't skunk make the same statement, that if you can succeed in D3, you can easily succeed in D1? I don't think that statement has stood the test of time...

The concept of comparing hiring to real life is just silly.  Hiring is one of the most unrealistic parts of this game and it should remain that way, so comparing hires to RL is just silly.  In this game some teams have no coach, that can't happen in real life, there is no money paid to a coach, that makes a big difference on who gets hired in RL.  Other coaches cannot endorse you, assistants cannot get hired, there is no connectivity, like that guy used to play here, or was an assistant here long ago. 

Also, Bzdelik is at wake Forest not Colorado.  Tad Boyle is the head coach at Colorado and he would have made a much better example for you, as his stint at Northern Colorado was short.  But he is why we can't use real life as an example either.  He was a local legend, came with good endorsements, and for a cash strapped university, he came very cheap.

I work VERY cheaply at my coaching jobs!

Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/6/2012 10:52:00 AM (view original):
Didn't skunk make the same statement, that if you can succeed in D3, you can easily succeed in D1? I don't think that statement has stood the test of time...

Last time I checked my career at D1 hasn't been written yet. I'll be more than fine. Just like D3 it's all about the prestige when it comes to making the next level. My next coaching job after Fresno St. will be my championship team, I can promise that.