Defending flaws of the game in which you've never experienced. Love it.

Five signed. I could unlock stuff on one and I am starting to put what I can. I had a scholly to give on another one. Hopefully, I get some time... It is broken. Six schollies, I am not sure I will be filling any in time.

Posted by CoachSpud on 11/11/2016 12:18:00 AM (view original):
It isn't impossible. Those recruits are all signing with someone. You have to learn how to be that someone. Blaming the game gets you nowhere.

Spud : Do it and tell me it'S possible. I am doing it. I know how it works, I played BETA... I know how to recruit, they sign before anything gets opened. You put AP in, they sign at 5... You put AP on others they sign at 11 and then at 5 in the morning.

Posted by CoachSpud on 11/10/2016 10:01:00 PM (view original):
"Second period, he signs with the D2 school. I never even made it on to the list." Game playability requires that coaches at any level who put in sufficient recruiting effort throughout the first session are rewarded accordingly, not raped by other coaches suddenly appearing to take the recruit, no matter how great the sense of entitlement the new coach may have. Otherwise, why have the first session at all?

"But right now, it's totally unusable for coaches changing jobs." That's not how I have found it. Difficult and full nasty unexpected surprises, yes, but certainly doable. It should be difficult.

This is ridiculously out of line with how recruiting works in the real world. In the real world, Augustana could be calling and visiting a ranked recruit daily from the opening of recruiting (or as much as current regulations allow), literally maxing out effort in every way possible. But if UNC, UCLA, UConn, or the like call him a couple days before he has to commit, that recruit is going to drop everything at the first phone call for a chance to play at an A+ school. Not even a question. It has nothing to do with how much effort DII Augustana put in, it has everything to do with that recruit wanting whats best for his basketball future. The coach of Augustana would be out of luck - IN THE REAL WORLD - and have to deal with it.

This happens all the time between high and mid DI too - just look at that slimeball from Cincinnati's little tantrums about that other slimeball from Kentucky "stealing" his recruits. He cries "its not fair we were on him from the start" and Calipari say "yeah, but we are Kentucky". It is not a sense of entitlement, it is prestige earned through success. Every now and then a ranked recruit will slip through the cracks and land at a DII school or low DI. You know what happens then in the real world? As soon as they start to realize their potential the transfer to a better program for more exposure. They let the low school develop them then spend their Jr or Sr year at a high DI trying to get draft exposure. Maybe that should be implemented to the game as a form of EE for the lower schools.

The major fault with your entire position on recruiting is you start from the assumption that all schools should be/are on equal standing and should have all their efforts treated equally. That is ludicrously out of step with how real recruiting works in college sports. In HD, prestige previously worked well to reflect the "Hoops Dynasty's" actual advantage in recruiting over the little guys, but in the new system the multiplier seems to be so low that it is merely a window dressing at this point.

Lastly; I think your word choice is classless and sophomoric. There is no raping of anything happening in recruiting. Its a damn simulation game. You are not a victim of rape because someone moved in on your recruit, you are a game user who is battling another game user in a game. Try to show some common decency instead of using inflammatory and intentionally charged and hurtful language in efforts to bolster your myopic argument.

Posted by CoachSpud on 11/11/2016 12:18:00 AM (view original):
It isn't impossible. Those recruits are all signing with someone. You have to learn how to be that someone. Blaming the game gets you nowhere.

You, sir are an idiot. I know exactly what I'm doing....what is extremely difficult is to recruit when you have 1 opening from a senior and 3 openings from EEs. You get 40APs for 10 days it seems like and then you get 80APs for a cycle or two, but there isn't anyone to spend it on.

I put 80 APs into a player the first cycle of the 2nd session and he signs with someone else.
Repeat 3 times.

I guess i could open up 5 players for HVs in the first session, but then I have no shot at anyone who signs early. This system needs revisions.

I really wish we had some engagement from WIS on this one. Arguing with Spud is basically the same as smashing yourself in the face with a cast iron frying pan.... Actually, maybe worse.

700 posts and not a single post season win. Of course he is an idiot. What's worse is he is a blowhard who thinks people give a sh&! about what he thinks.
At least Wardo is entertaining.

Real stats : In my short list, 13 players, 9 already signed before I could open anything.

spud is entitled to his opinion, but it seems a clear majority of players agrees it is an issue, including pretty much everyone at D1 who is actually experiencing it. to me, the easy change is simply making the first cycle in session 2 signings-free and see if that helps. this is a minor tweak but may go a long way towards working on this issue. if the problem still exists then, more dramatic things could be tried.

Posted by bathtubhippo on 11/11/2016 10:51:00 AM (view original):
spud is entitled to his opinion, but it seems a clear majority of players agrees it is an issue, including pretty much everyone at D1 who is actually experiencing it. to me, the easy change is simply making the first cycle in session 2 signings-free and see if that helps. this is a minor tweak but may go a long way towards working on this issue. if the problem still exists then, more dramatic things could be tried.

spot on

if only seble had been ready to work on this rather than declare beta done and get out of dodge

ya try this or some other rather simple remedy and see if it works.....but instead WIS decided to create a really bad set of transition seasons for some customers

Signed two, all my list is gone. Did not get to spend any money except a home visit, campus was not open. I signed two, one is 494 for a D1... And the other one, which I can live with is a PF 555. So, no real D1 ready player... I still have 80 ap, 4 schollies and not a lot of talent left.

Changing jobs is an issue for sure. This was pointed out way before beta even started by someone who is gone now, and the point remained valid. You have to play 5 seasons now at a school, not 4, to graduate your first class. Extra money for WIS, which makes sense for them, they're a business, but definitely puts a damper on changing jobs.

"I am doing it. I know how it works, I played BETA"

Me, too, thank you. I am pretty confident that most coaches are quietly doing the same.

"there isn't anyone to spend it on" in session two unless you have prepared in session one. Even when changing jobs I have done okay in session two.

* Thank you for calling me out on my choice of words in one of my posts above. I have changed it. My apologies.

Posted by CoachSpud on 11/11/2016 11:58:00 AM (view original):
"I am doing it. I know how it works, I played BETA"

Me, too, thank you. I am pretty confident that most coaches are quietly doing the same.

"there isn't anyone to spend it on" in session two unless you have prepared in session one. Even when changing jobs I have done okay in session two.

* Thank you for calling me out on my choice of words in one of my posts above. I have changed it. My apologies.

What's ok? Signing somebody? I could. But I won't be competitive. I need D1 players and believe me, this time I can scout the hell out of the recruits pool.. Nothing left worth signing. I took on two developing projects who will start being something at D1.

Can you imagine real life Duke or KY having either 4-5 walkon worthy players or multiple D2 type players coming off a final four run?
Thats the game WIS intentionally created when they chose to ignore this issue.
But hey, participation trophies are in these days, so why not?