Posted by MikeT23 on 7/23/2017 6:33:00 PM (view original):
I don't know if that's "discouraging" to n00bs but it forces them to wade thru the bullshit to find a helpful tidbit.

Mike is a one of a kind sort of guy that doesn't find it discouraging to wade through bullshit.

If you work, you deal with bullshit every day. I doubt I'm one of a kind.

FWIW, it takes me less than a second to decide to NOT read a post. I can do an entire page in less than 15 seconds. I don't think the ability to NOT read something is unique either.

Not really the point.

Using BH's thread as an example- he asked for help. You chimed in with unhelpful comments. I provided some feedback to him about fatigue vs target minutes. You and BH argued back and forth which resulted with the thread being deleted by CS and them making a thread telling you two to stop bickering.

So basically everything I said about fatigue working better than target minutes was lost.

Already explained my comments. Is it your intention to derail this thread over a thread that was deleted weeks ago?

I realize you explained your comments. And everyone else thinks your comments are not conducive to having a 'non-toxic' forum - something that it seems you want.

The more you know

EVERYONE? Literally EVERYONE?

And do you think this back and forth would be bullshit to wade thru?

This thread is about someone not liking the game and saying they're leaving.... what useful information about HD do you expect to find in this thread?

And yes, LITERALLY EVERYONE except you.

Yeah, this is a total useless thread. But there's nothing else to read in the forum, so here I am.

Posted by Benis on 7/23/2017 7:42:00 PM (view original):
This thread is about someone not liking the game and saying they're leaving.... what useful information about HD do you expect to find in this thread?

And yes, LITERALLY EVERYONE except you.

So the HD population is somewhere around 4? I don't think your numbers are right.

Pretty close these days.

Posted by mullycj on 7/23/2017 10:39:00 PM (view original):
MikeTwhat's useless trolling is just one of the reasons the vets who did hang around after 3.0 don't even bother visiting the forums anymore to help noobies out.

Why you waste your time even conversing with this troll boggling.

And your charming, delightful, constructive, on-topic post is the sort of post that attracts newbies? I think not.

Posted by mullycj on 7/23/2017 10:39:00 PM (view original):
MikeTwhat's useless trolling is just one of the reasons the vets who did hang around after 3.0 don't even bother visiting the forums anymore to help noobies out.

Why you waste your time even conversing with this troll boggling.

Irony at it's finest.

I chuckled at the thread title change. Kudos to worthy or Support, whoever made the switch.

Posted by MikeT23 on 7/23/2017 1:47:00 PM (view original):
I really need to see one person say "I'm not joining because the new recruiting is not intuitive at all, and very difficult to grasp/master, and there's not much obvious help out there" to believe this is even in the same zip code of true.

Not quite brand new players first joining, but when I first joined along with 3 of my friends right around when the beta was starting, we all loved the game and were very excited about the upgrades. However, they all quit after one season of 3.0, for such cited reasons as: "I really liked the old system, even if it was less realistic. This one is harder to get used to.... There's a lot less transparency in this version, almost too little." And "It takes too much time, and isn't fun. I liked being able to spend 2-3 days total recruiting, with the rest of the season game planning." With the most positive response being: " I like it but just don't have the time [to learn the new system]."
At the end of the day, while it is more time consuming than 2.0, imo, it isn't nearly as time consuming or as difficult to learn how to be decently successful as it appears to be. Nevertheless, the design of 3.0 has driven away relative newcomers for the above reasons. Would their perception have been different if they had never touched 2.0? Probably. Howrver, how difficult it appears to be, and how time consuming it is to both learn and actually execute until you've figured out a system to streamline the process more effectively, is definitely a reason why some have decided to not continue playing the game.