Posted by dahsdebater on 2/14/2020 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Let's just all agree that shoe has been misutilizing the words "probability" and "probabilistic" in the forums for a long time...

throw random in there too...

i think the bottom line is this - there's some real complexity in the sim engine, especially when you get into all the ramifications of how it works. also, there's a LOT of stuff based on probabilities where you are allowed to experience really unlikely outcomes (for example, you can lose a sub-1% game against a 16 seed sim, or a 1-10% roll on a moderately off-board EE, and so forth). as such, there are tons of situations where someone can feel 'screwed' and feels the need to blow off a little steam. i think everyone feels that way sometimes, even if there is a wide range of how much each person vocalizes that. so maybe we can let a little whining slide, let some semantics slide, and be a bit more empathetic about how much it sucks to hit that 1% or even 20% roll in a high impact scenario?

... nah, you're right, i must be high. carry on throwing stones from your glass houses! (not to suggest i am above such things!!)

i actually kind of like our statistics based bickering about nothing, so here's one - what are the odds that benis picked his name purely due to the phonetic similarities between benis and, well, you know - or that there is some alternate explanation? i'm going with 99% on the ***** similarity. any takers for 98%? i could see 98%, but whoever wants to take 97%, be warned, i'm prepared to go down with the ship on this one!

Posted by WardoYT on 2/11/2020 11:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldave on 2/11/2020 10:49:00 PM (view original):
Wardo, when you say "doctor"... do you mean gillespie? that would make alot of sense. I highly suspect that he has been using the black market accounts.

I am just pointing out that some of the returning people have bought accounts and few of them know I exist outside the realm. Used to read Mayan science alot of the time I get where they Sacrifice it was for Bread Winners Golden Child of family and to become Royal Queen and King blood of the group. Sadly only England uses midevil tactics as they say Stonehenge is the most active documented ancient Sorcery the Egypt Monamutes are one of the dryest cultures and yes 3 out of the 5 documented was a yes man to build a replica Egypt culture without Cricket or Soccer as number one and or two Musicians are put first then its Identity politics So 2 of the 5 Documented yes man was considered American yes man to plant Plantation and grow Tar well that life ended in 1700 and it put a really good mark on Americans and this is what yall who paid into the system is going to see for the future and present

i was gonna say, i would never use black market accounts (duh, cash only). but now that wardo spells it out, sacrificing live children, enslaving my fellow man - yeah, that's definitely up my alley. how did i get there? its kind of a long story.

as a young man, i tried sacrificing dead children, but the gods were upset by my attempted deception and smote me right up the arse. i was what you could call 'curious' before that, so maybe they did me a favor - because i certainly wasn't curious afterwards! now i know, definitely not a fan of taking it up the poop shoet (to use the ancient mayan spelling). anyway, i decided to switch back to the live variety.

next, i tried paying my tar-growing plantation workers, but that went... poorly. upgrading my 'laborers' to commodity status really made them greedy - they rioted, killing my wife and children in the name of the great the0nly (the most vengeful of our gods). also, because i was making no money growing tar (mostly because you can't grow ******* tar), i ended up deeply in debt, and ended up working on a rival tar plantation where the masters were not so kind as i. they even reduced me to a ridiculous caricature and gave me a silly (and possibly offensive) name - i was henceforth known as long wang.

after 20 years of brutal tar-growing (which mostly consisted of baking my own ***** in the sun until they achieve the proper consistency), i found a device that allowed me to teleport to an alternate realm. there, i found a magical world that was completely identical to my own, except that in the morning, there were two options - the sun would come up, or it would not - 50/50 odds. after sacrificing some babies to get back to my own realm - or possibly a third realm, which was so similar to my original realm i could not tell the difference - i remarked to the village wise man - perhaps, the sun will not come up tomorrow - its 50/50.

of course, this was blasphemy, but just as the people of that realm were about to burn me on the stake (not at the stake... they put the stake somewhere rather unpleasant - remember, these were mid evil times with sorcery and voodoo and other things such as this) - a total solar eclipse occurred, which was quite lucky, because it could have just as easily not occurred (it was 50/50). as a result, the people of my realm (or the aforementioned third realm which was indistinguishable from my own) spared me and began to worship me as a god. i thought, perhaps i should use this position for good - but then i recalled the misguided days of my youth. so now i just roll with it!

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/14/2020 4:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by WardoYT on 2/11/2020 11:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldave on 2/11/2020 10:49:00 PM (view original):
Wardo, when you say "doctor"... do you mean gillespie? that would make alot of sense. I highly suspect that he has been using the black market accounts.

I am just pointing out that some of the returning people have bought accounts and few of them know I exist outside the realm. Used to read Mayan science alot of the time I get where they Sacrifice it was for Bread Winners Golden Child of family and to become Royal Queen and King blood of the group. Sadly only England uses midevil tactics as they say Stonehenge is the most active documented ancient Sorcery the Egypt Monamutes are one of the dryest cultures and yes 3 out of the 5 documented was a yes man to build a replica Egypt culture without Cricket or Soccer as number one and or two Musicians are put first then its Identity politics So 2 of the 5 Documented yes man was considered American yes man to plant Plantation and grow Tar well that life ended in 1700 and it put a really good mark on Americans and this is what yall who paid into the system is going to see for the future and present

i was gonna say, i would never use black market accounts (duh, cash only). but now that wardo spells it out, sacrificing live children, enslaving my fellow man - yeah, that's definitely up my alley. how did i get there? its kind of a long story.

as a young man, i tried sacrificing dead children, but the gods were upset by my attempted deception and smote me right up the arse. i was what you could call 'curious' before that, so maybe they did me a favor - because i certainly wasn't curious afterwards! now i know, definitely not a fan of taking it up the poop shoet (to use the ancient mayan spelling). anyway, i decided to switch back to the live variety.

next, i tried paying my tar-growing plantation workers, but that went... poorly. upgrading my 'laborers' to commodity status really made them greedy - they rioted, killing my wife and children in the name of the great the0nly (the most vengeful of our gods). also, because i was making no money growing tar (mostly because you can't grow ******* tar), i ended up deeply in debt, and ended up working on a rival tar plantation where the masters were not so kind as i. they even reduced me to a ridiculous caricature and gave me a silly (and possibly offensive) name - i was henceforth known as long wang.

after 20 years of brutal tar-growing (which mostly consisted of baking my own ***** in the sun until they achieve the proper consistency), i found a device that allowed me to teleport to an alternate realm. there, i found a magical world that was completely identical to my own, except that in the morning, there were two options - the sun would come up, or it would not - 50/50 odds. after sacrificing some babies to get back to my own realm - or possibly a third realm, which was so similar to my original realm i could not tell the difference - i remarked to the village wise man - perhaps, the sun will not come up tomorrow - its 50/50.

of course, this was blasphemy, but just as the people of that realm were about to burn me on the stake (not at the stake... they put the stake somewhere rather unpleasant - remember, these were mid evil times with sorcery and voodoo and other things such as this) - a total solar eclipse occurred, which was quite lucky, because it could have just as easily not occurred (it was 50/50). as a result, the people of my realm (or the aforementioned third realm which was indistinguishable from my own) spared me and began to worship me as a god. i thought, perhaps i should use this position for good - but then i recalled the misguided days of my youth. so now i just roll with it!

I got baptised in blackbeards water and haven't heard anybody since. This was my 1st explanation to my friend who out owned me in slaves and plantation making one Nickel per sale. But hey the Tarheel Way is too screw every1 else and use lots and lots of booster Typically stealing MJ with boosters otherwise Duke is king and we all like to beat UNC every week.

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/14/2020 4:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by WardoYT on 2/11/2020 11:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldave on 2/11/2020 10:49:00 PM (view original):
Wardo, when you say "doctor"... do you mean gillespie? that would make alot of sense. I highly suspect that he has been using the black market accounts.

I am just pointing out that some of the returning people have bought accounts and few of them know I exist outside the realm. Used to read Mayan science alot of the time I get where they Sacrifice it was for Bread Winners Golden Child of family and to become Royal Queen and King blood of the group. Sadly only England uses midevil tactics as they say Stonehenge is the most active documented ancient Sorcery the Egypt Monamutes are one of the dryest cultures and yes 3 out of the 5 documented was a yes man to build a replica Egypt culture without Cricket or Soccer as number one and or two Musicians are put first then its Identity politics So 2 of the 5 Documented yes man was considered American yes man to plant Plantation and grow Tar well that life ended in 1700 and it put a really good mark on Americans and this is what yall who paid into the system is going to see for the future and present

i was gonna say, i would never use black market accounts (duh, cash only). but now that wardo spells it out, sacrificing live children, enslaving my fellow man - yeah, that's definitely up my alley. how did i get there? its kind of a long story.

as a young man, i tried sacrificing dead children, but the gods were upset by my attempted deception and smote me right up the arse. i was what you could call 'curious' before that, so maybe they did me a favor - because i certainly wasn't curious afterwards! now i know, definitely not a fan of taking it up the poop shoet (to use the ancient mayan spelling). anyway, i decided to switch back to the live variety.

next, i tried paying my tar-growing plantation workers, but that went... poorly. upgrading my 'laborers' to commodity status really made them greedy - they rioted, killing my wife and children in the name of the great the0nly (the most vengeful of our gods). also, because i was making no money growing tar (mostly because you can't grow ******* tar), i ended up deeply in debt, and ended up working on a rival tar plantation where the masters were not so kind as i. they even reduced me to a ridiculous caricature and gave me a silly (and possibly offensive) name - i was henceforth known as long wang.

after 20 years of brutal tar-growing (which mostly consisted of baking my own ***** in the sun until they achieve the proper consistency), i found a device that allowed me to teleport to an alternate realm. there, i found a magical world that was completely identical to my own, except that in the morning, there were two options - the sun would come up, or it would not - 50/50 odds. after sacrificing some babies to get back to my own realm - or possibly a third realm, which was so similar to my original realm i could not tell the difference - i remarked to the village wise man - perhaps, the sun will not come up tomorrow - its 50/50.

of course, this was blasphemy, but just as the people of that realm were about to burn me on the stake (not at the stake... they put the stake somewhere rather unpleasant - remember, these were mid evil times with sorcery and voodoo and other things such as this) - a total solar eclipse occurred, which was quite lucky, because it could have just as easily not occurred (it was 50/50). as a result, the people of my realm (or the aforementioned third realm which was indistinguishable from my own) spared me and began to worship me as a god. i thought, perhaps i should use this position for good - but then i recalled the misguided days of my youth. so now i just roll with it!

have you read where they clearly say Me and Tekashi are equal opposites in the same field? Lmfao.

It’s either too many drugs or not enough. I am strongly undecided.

Posted by beachhouse on 2/14/2020 4:56:00 PM (view original):
It’s either too many drugs or not enough. I am strongly undecided.

Its too many drugs on the high me and Tekashi been in the same field for 50-200 years depending on the schedule.

Posted by shoe3 on 2/14/2020 2:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):
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"I see your point, it's valid but I don't agree with it entirely."

Rigid thinking is certainly one of the symptoms I exhibit. I don’t pretend otherwise. That’s not to say I never find all sort of alternate narratives valid. There are usually lots of good answers. But there are also usually bad answers too, and I’m not interested in validating those.

"If I agree with what you say, it's a good idea. If I don't agree with what you say, I have no interest in seeking to understand your viewpoint."

Posted by shoe3 on 2/14/2020 2:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 2/14/2020 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Let's just all agree that shoe has been misutilizing the words "probability" and "probabilistic" in the forums for a long time...

I use probability and probabilistic in game context as contrasting antonyms to determinism and deterministic. Or in simpler terms, probability in game setting is use of a range of outcomes with varying likelihood of occurrence; contrasted with a deterministic model, which has set outcomes. Whereas determinism is 0 or 1, 0 being impossible and 1 being certain; probability is 0 to 1 with many possible outcomes.

I suspect you’re referring to the long thread from a year and a half ago where I ranted against the “feedback” feature, which is absolute **** in terms of gameplay for a game based on probabilistic outcomes (possessions). If you flip a fair coin 4 times, and it’s head all four times, the odds of flipping heads the fifth time is still 50%. The feedback feature bastardizes this concept, which is why I hate it, even when it benefits me more often than not (not, it should be noted, in the case of the OP here). That’s how I use “probability” and “probabilistic”.

It's not a bastardization of probability just because probability per possession is influenced by previous possessions. It's just a different type of game than flipping a coin, or playing roulette, where each flip or spin resets back to the previous odds.

In traditional blackjack, cards are not put back in the shoe. Each hand has different probabilities depending on the cards that were drawn before it, even though each hand is played the same way. Previous hands have direct influence on the probability of current hands.

Both award winners per play. Both are based on probability.

Posted by Benis on 2/14/2020 5:19:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):
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"I see your point, it's valid but I don't agree with it entirely."

Rigid thinking is certainly one of the symptoms I exhibit. I don’t pretend otherwise. That’s not to say I never find all sort of alternate narratives valid. There are usually lots of good answers. But there are also usually bad answers too, and I’m not interested in validating those.

"If I agree with what you say, it's a good idea. If I don't agree with what you say, I have no interest in seeking to understand your viewpoint."

Right, because that’s what Benis does. He tries hard to understand the other point of view. That’s what this is, taking what someone says, making it into something else, and saying it with a little Benis voice, that’s all just part of the empathy process.

Posted by Basketts on 2/14/2020 5:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 2/14/2020 2:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 2/14/2020 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Let's just all agree that shoe has been misutilizing the words "probability" and "probabilistic" in the forums for a long time...

I use probability and probabilistic in game context as contrasting antonyms to determinism and deterministic. Or in simpler terms, probability in game setting is use of a range of outcomes with varying likelihood of occurrence; contrasted with a deterministic model, which has set outcomes. Whereas determinism is 0 or 1, 0 being impossible and 1 being certain; probability is 0 to 1 with many possible outcomes.

I suspect you’re referring to the long thread from a year and a half ago where I ranted against the “feedback” feature, which is absolute **** in terms of gameplay for a game based on probabilistic outcomes (possessions). If you flip a fair coin 4 times, and it’s head all four times, the odds of flipping heads the fifth time is still 50%. The feedback feature bastardizes this concept, which is why I hate it, even when it benefits me more often than not (not, it should be noted, in the case of the OP here). That’s how I use “probability” and “probabilistic”.

It's not a bastardization of probability just because probability per possession is influenced by previous possessions. It's just a different type of game than flipping a coin, or playing roulette, where each flip or spin resets back to the previous odds.

In traditional blackjack, cards are not put back in the shoe. Each hand has different probabilities depending on the cards that were drawn before it, even though each hand is played the same way. Previous hands have direct influence on the probability of current hands.

Both award winners per play. Both are based on probability.

Blackjack isn’t HD though. What’s left in the deck doesn’t determine a winner. And the current deck isn’t reconfigured for the purpose of cooling a hot streak.

And anyway, I don’t care about how blackjack works. I care about how this game plays.

Posted by shoe3 on 2/14/2020 6:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Basketts on 2/14/2020 5:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 2/14/2020 2:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 2/14/2020 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Let's just all agree that shoe has been misutilizing the words "probability" and "probabilistic" in the forums for a long time...

I use probability and probabilistic in game context as contrasting antonyms to determinism and deterministic. Or in simpler terms, probability in game setting is use of a range of outcomes with varying likelihood of occurrence; contrasted with a deterministic model, which has set outcomes. Whereas determinism is 0 or 1, 0 being impossible and 1 being certain; probability is 0 to 1 with many possible outcomes.

I suspect you’re referring to the long thread from a year and a half ago where I ranted against the “feedback” feature, which is absolute **** in terms of gameplay for a game based on probabilistic outcomes (possessions). If you flip a fair coin 4 times, and it’s head all four times, the odds of flipping heads the fifth time is still 50%. The feedback feature bastardizes this concept, which is why I hate it, even when it benefits me more often than not (not, it should be noted, in the case of the OP here). That’s how I use “probability” and “probabilistic”.

It's not a bastardization of probability just because probability per possession is influenced by previous possessions. It's just a different type of game than flipping a coin, or playing roulette, where each flip or spin resets back to the previous odds.

In traditional blackjack, cards are not put back in the shoe. Each hand has different probabilities depending on the cards that were drawn before it, even though each hand is played the same way. Previous hands have direct influence on the probability of current hands.

Both award winners per play. Both are based on probability.

Blackjack isn’t HD though. What’s left in the deck doesn’t determine a winner. And the current deck isn’t reconfigured for the purpose of cooling a hot streak.

And anyway, I don’t care about how blackjack works. I care about how this game plays.

i'm pretty much with ya shoe, i am not a fan of the feedback. although i don't have the passionate hatred for it that i once had - i think i used to have a preferred alternative, but whatever that was escapes me. or maybe i just got over it. sure feels like a bastardization to some extent.

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):
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"I see your point, it's valid but I don't agree with it entirely."

Rigid thinking is certainly one of the symptoms I exhibit. I don’t pretend otherwise. That’s not to say I never find all sort of alternate narratives valid. There are usually lots of good answers. But there are also usually bad answers too, and I’m not interested in validating those.

"If I agree with what you say, it's a good idea. If I don't agree with what you say, I have no interest in seeking to understand your viewpoint."

Right, because that’s what Benis does. He tries hard to understand the other point of view. That’s what this is, taking what someone says, making it into something else, and saying it with a little Benis voice, that’s all just part of the empathy process.

i think you guys get stuck on the semantics, because frankly, i agree with most of what both of you post most of the time. at this point, its either semantics or a 'get a room already' type scenario... soooo

Posted by gillispie1 on 2/14/2020 7:09:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):
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"I see your point, it's valid but I don't agree with it entirely."

Rigid thinking is certainly one of the symptoms I exhibit. I don’t pretend otherwise. That’s not to say I never find all sort of alternate narratives valid. There are usually lots of good answers. But there are also usually bad answers too, and I’m not interested in validating those.

"If I agree with what you say, it's a good idea. If I don't agree with what you say, I have no interest in seeking to understand your viewpoint."

Right, because that’s what Benis does. He tries hard to understand the other point of view. That’s what this is, taking what someone says, making it into something else, and saying it with a little Benis voice, that’s all just part of the empathy process.

i think you guys get stuck on the semantics, because frankly, i agree with most of what both of you post most of the time. at this point, its either semantics or a 'get a room already' type scenario... soooo

Oh! Little Benis voice. That sounds fun!

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):
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"I see your point, it's valid but I don't agree with it entirely."

Rigid thinking is certainly one of the symptoms I exhibit. I don’t pretend otherwise. That’s not to say I never find all sort of alternate narratives valid. There are usually lots of good answers. But there are also usually bad answers too, and I’m not interested in validating those.

"If I agree with what you say, it's a good idea. If I don't agree with what you say, I have no interest in seeking to understand your viewpoint."

Right, because that’s what Benis does. He tries hard to understand the other point of view. That’s what this is, taking what someone says, making it into something else, and saying it with a little Benis voice, that’s all just part of the empathy process.

i think you guys get stuck on the semantics, because frankly, i agree with most of what both of you post most of the time. at this point, its either semantics or a 'get a room already' type scenario... soooo

I actually agree with most of what's said as well!

I just enjoy the depths of conversation that are created when the words random and poached are brought into the picture! What page are we on now, page 7 or 8? And it's all for nothing, except the definition of words for the most part.

Poaching is a thing in HD. And it happens randomly, along with lots of other HD factors. When my ****** target gets poached by a ****** D1 coach (from D2), while my neighbor (also a D2 coach) signs a 2* super stud that may sniff the big board, that can only be defined as one thing......

Random poaching. Period. No matter what shoe thinks. There's no other explanation. (Or any other coach for that matter)

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/14/2020 1:50:00 PM (view original):
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"I see your point, it's valid but I don't agree with it entirely."

Rigid thinking is certainly one of the symptoms I exhibit. I don’t pretend otherwise. That’s not to say I never find all sort of alternate narratives valid. There are usually lots of good answers. But there are also usually bad answers too, and I’m not interested in validating those.

"If I agree with what you say, it's a good idea. If I don't agree with what you say, I have no interest in seeking to understand your viewpoint."

Right, because that’s what Benis does. He tries hard to understand the other point of view. That’s what this is, taking what someone says, making it into something else, and saying it with a little Benis voice, that’s all just part of the empathy process.

i think you guys get stuck on the semantics, because frankly, i agree with most of what both of you post most of the time. at this point, its either semantics or a 'get a room already' type scenario... soooo

I actually agree with most of what's said as well!

I just enjoy the depths of conversation that are created when the words random and poached are brought into the picture! What page are we on now, page 7 or 8? And it's all for nothing, except the definition of words for the most part.

Poaching is a thing in HD. And it happens randomly, along with lots of other HD factors. When my ****** target gets poached by a ****** D1 coach (from D2), while my neighbor (also a D2 coach) signs a 2* super stud that may sniff the big board, that can only be defined as one thing......

Random poaching. Period. No matter what shoe thinks. There's no other explanation. (Or any other coach for that matter)

While I agree with what most minority leader and Or Benis Blackwell The few has decided to not speak on the amount of Black Market users who is slowly dying away I guess "they" down voted good lord I might be MVP for WIS customer support and we have no idea how bad its really gonna get. I just lost a conference mate to VGA and 10 times more broken rules so I consider a ping. WhatifSports has repeatedly said no more Account buying well the 20-10 is all getting a boost so why not stay in 10 birdcages longer. I hope whatisports make it best ball again with chips at hand. But I know its not gonna happen maybe in 4.0 by then I will stop carrying about the Vr1 Forums.