I did like the idea of a hall of fame. Seasons per title would be one of the more important metrics, in my eyes. I also think there should be some bonus multipliers of sorts. E.g. winning a national championship with Delaware State, longevity bonus (Outside of 4 or 5 programs, I doubt I’ve stayed anywhere more than 10 seasons, but I admire people who do), points for deep tourney runs.

Doubt anybody has the bandwidth to take that on, but the community could use a little jolt of energy

i've thought about doing something along those lines but just based on the dynasty rankings... like you get so many points for various entries on the dynasty lists. i'd have to go back and generate the per-season rankings for all seasons, but then like, if you had a program peak in the top 5 of your world's 5 year dynasty rankings, you'd get such and such points... something like that. and then so many points gets you in the hall of fame, which i figured would break down into 3 tiers or something.

definitely not up for it now but maybe some day?

I like Gillispie's approach--the dynasty rankings should be able to drive who's in the hall of fame. Seasons per title could be one metric to consider but probably not the most significant for me.

Maybe the hall of fame could be broken up into 2 tiers/sections--one for coaches who have accumulated a lot of success based on longevity (based on number of wins, NT appearances, NT wins over a long period of time, RPI) and another tier/section for coaches who have the most "elite" seasons under their belt (undefeated seasons, top 5-10 RPI seasons, Final Four appearances, NT championships).

We'd need to come up with some sort of point system to rank each of those tiers and then everyone could comment and compare between the two tiers about who's accomplishments they think are "the best". It could make for some good theatre.

Maybe run the ranking individually for each world and then combine the rankings for all worlds, similar to what Gillispie does in the Dynasty Rankings.

I think a lot more things go into making a hall of fame coach. And that's my personal opinion. We all have difference of opinions on things, and different view points, and that's what would make this challenging. For examples.......

Ab90 just mentioned "title per season". And that's his perception of the game. He values that as his metric, and that's why he chooses to play the way he does. But for me, looking back at my original mention of Hall of fame in this thread, I value other things that some may not think about on the surface. Like a coach that wins with every set. I personally think that's impressive. Some coaches think "meh, it's all the same". I've won in almost every 1x world, but I have no more than 3 in any world. Some coaches may not give two toots about that, and may view a coach with 15 titles in one world as more of an accomplishment. Some view D3 titles as less than D1 titles as far as value, does that factor in? What about winning in all 3 levels?

It's all about what we view as success. In a real Hall of fame, it's not 100% always about the numbers. Or else it would just be a list of the top stat players. What is our Hall of fame? Just numbers? Since it's a game of numbers. Or are intangibles factored in. What about relations? Cub, gil, shoe, myself.... all some of the most helpful coaches out there when it comes to the forums (and more recently, the discord). If the "numbers" don't line up for a coach like the ones mentioned, are they left out?

Lots of gray area

I agree with topdogg. Championships/seasons played is kind of a poor metric. Winning a championship with a perennial “A” prestige program is not as impressive as taking over a “C/D” caliber program and making them championship caliber. Disclaimer: (This comment is not a direct slight at ab or intended to start a ***** fest).

I am most impressed by the coaches that consistently make Elite 8 and better season after season with the same team. It’s easy to get upset or get unlucky with recruits so to consistently win with the same program without falling off is certainly impressive in my opinion.

I'm with you, Dogg. And I'd be all for other "tiers/sections" of the Hall of fame that allows coaches to get in if they have those types of accomplishments. I focused on the win/loss criteria because those are a little more objective than the other criteria that you mention. The other criteria is definitely important, it's just more subjective and problematic than a metric system is to implement, like you said. I think doing some type of a selection process would be a lot of fun but would also require a time commitment from someone to get it off the ground (and then maintain each year).

Also, I hate trying to compare apples to oranges when it comes to comparing accomplishments (i.e. Jordan in 80's-90's vs. Lebron in 00's-10's). Both accomplishments are great and should be respected and trying to measure them against each other just turns into a debate where each side tears down the other side instead of acknowledging the greatness of each. So instead of comparing D3 to D1, let's just respect them both in separate "sections" of the hall of fame. And if someone wins at all three levels, that is another unique accomplishment (maybe for its own section).

Posted by topdogggbm on 9/23/2021 6:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 9/18/2021 11:43:00 PM (view original):
Make the Sweet 16/Elite 8 with no players on the Draft board.

I did this with Michigan in the conference we share, mully!

Could you win a D1 title with no drafted players?

Posted by ncmusician_7 on 9/26/2021 12:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 9/23/2021 6:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 9/18/2021 11:43:00 PM (view original):
Make the Sweet 16/Elite 8 with no players on the Draft board.

I did this with Michigan in the conference we share, mully!

Could you win a D1 title with no drafted players?

doable, yeah, but extremely difficult. the s16/e8 thing i am sure happens all the time, its not terribly difficult to build a team without draft picks that has a better than average chance, and with all the NTs / worlds, there's plenty of rd1-rd2 teams getting lucky and going that far. pretty easy to build a NT team without draft picks, then just need a couple dice rolls - that's got to be happening out there all the time.

the title part, i am sure is also doable, but man it sure seems tough without pressing (or fb/pr). i think as long as you are pressing its workable, but definitely hard. when chap and i were building up our fb/pr experiment teams a couple years back, one team at delaware state won with like a 95-100 senior and an off board senior, who both got drafted 50 something, and that was it. that was a quite lucky NT run but still. at vandy a couple months later (only had the 2 fb/pr), we had a #1 overall seed with a team i really liked (way better than the delaware state team), felt they were barely the favorite, but lost a tough elite 8 game. had nobody on the board to end the season, but an off the board junior who'd dropped off during the year left anyway. so to me that says its got to be doable (especially if that was a goal). but i would definitely consider it a very cool and tricky feat if someone actually pulled it off.

Also got to consider the big board boost that winning the NT gives to all your players.

My preferred method of deciding who makes the hall of fame and gets a $10,000 bonus would be who has won the most games as head coach of Loyola Marymount in Phelan. I think that is very fair and very objective which is what we're looking for.

Posted by Ceej_Money on 10/1/2021 5:41:00 PM (view original):
My preferred method of deciding who makes the hall of fame and gets a $10,000 bonus would be who has won the most games as head coach of Loyola Marymount in Phelan. I think that is very fair and very objective which is what we're looking for.

well played

I feel like this is next to impossible, but we are talking about white whales here. Have a kid from a DIII school make the draft big board / get drafted. I see it occasionally in DII but has there ever been one from DIII?

i think there was some killer d3 guy posted on these boards a while back who got drafted, like, a 3.0 one? not one of the ancient history ones (which happened decently often when stats were a main driver).

my white whale is actually retiring

Posted by gillispie on 10/4/2021 4:36:00 PM (view original):
i think there was some killer d3 guy posted on these boards a while back who got drafted, like, a 3.0 one? not one of the ancient history ones (which happened decently often when stats were a main driver).

my white whale is actually retiring

Yes, I know someone has definitely been drafted from a D3 team in 3.0. What I’d love to see is someone get drafted from the D2 recruit pool.