Potential - past, present, and future Topic

I tried HD roughly a year ago and was frustrated with recruiting...once FSS was added I tried again...

I would say that by and large I think it is an incredible improvement and the potential really isn't a hindrance and certainly helps you build a team in the manner you want them to play.

I do however have these suggestions to make one aspect very realistic.

More flexibility with international students is needed.

It is great in real life to see players like Thabeet and Aboya come to the United States...in fact Wake Forest has a kid from Sweeden coming in this year...

I attended a D-III school for undergrad and we had quite a few international students that could have easily seen playing time at the D-II level and perhaps even a roster spot at many D-I schools...

During recruiting I am ok with not knowing as much about the international players development because even if you were to scout a player abroad you wouldn't have an incredible body of work to determine his potential, this holds true in real life. In fact I would potentially make their development for the IQ parts harder simply because of language barrier. I would also make it harder for them to succeed academically, meaning less time for BB practice and an emphasis on SH.

What I am ultimately getting at here is that students from other countries would rarely turn down the opportunity to attend an American University, regardless of Division, especially if it provided a full academic scholarship.

I just can't find a reason for D-I, D-II drop downs not to act on a scholarship offer to play at a D-II, D-III school especially if a lot of recruiting $$$ has gone their way.

Just wondering what the rationale was behind this part of the SIM. In real life if a D-III coach flew to Africa, met with a kids family, offered him a full ride scholarship to an American University, they would be able to land the kid...

The Thabeet's will always end up at UCONN or UNC, that isn't my point, I am talking about the recruits that are not shown any interest by top schools then go unsigned instead of settling for lower tiered schools, it is not a stretch for a D-II or D-III school to be able to land a great international recruit that was overlooked.

5/12/2009 11:59 AM
Quote: It is great in real life to see players like Okafor and Thabeet come to the United States...in fact Wake Forest has a kid from Sweeden coming in this year...

Uh, Emeka Okafor is from Houston, Texas. Which some might consider to be outside of the United States, I guess.
5/12/2009 5:53 PM
Haha thank you SHAWN...My fault on that one...for some reason I thought I remembered watching a piece on him coming to America, maybe it was just on him wanting to give back to his homeland which I believe is Nigeria...

In his stead I have replaced it to say Alfred Aboya, he was born in Cameroon and is a UCLA Bruin now...

Regardless, my point remains the same on the need to update the international department of the HD recruiting...
5/12/2009 6:06 PM
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5/14/2009 3:45 PM
My thoughts on potential --- one, I like the idea in theory, however, in practice it is still whacky:

1. What does HIGH MEDIUM and LOW potential actually mean? Does High mean they will get in a range that places them at the top level of their position -- or does it just mean, expect a lot of improvement. Its disappointing to grab a HIGH LOW POST POTENTIAL Center only to see him top out at 85 after improving 15 points. Its the issue of really a clearer understanding on what HIGH MEDIUM AND LOW potential actually means.

2. I think a hybrid approach is best-- there's a potential improvement that really one sees over the first and second year, but then you can have a player improve based on practice times in other categories depending on focusing practice time on those areas. I'm just thinking theoretically one should be able to convert certain SF into PF or SGs--but can't really gage that fairly in the early stages of recruiting-- thus, if somebody wants to CHANGE their position, they should be able to further develop skills... any way, just the beginning of an idea on tweaking. --- Maybe as simply as making HIGH MEDIUM LOW indicitive or RATE of improvement.

3. As for conditioning, I think it should not be capped, the more one conditions, their conditioning will improve. Theoretically, a guy could spend 120 minutes on conditioning all season, and improve ONE point!? Not bloodly likely.

3. OFFENSE and DEFENSE practice times need to be individualized. As players reach their potential you have NO WHERE ELSE to put minutes --



Appreciate the forum and the opportunity to share thoughts on this.
5/14/2009 5:28 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By aporter on 5/06/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 4/29/2009
Maybe I am crazy, but I think it is much better that a guy can:

Improve well at some areas (Defense and PE for example), but not well in other areas (BH and Passing, for example). I think things like this happen all the time. No matter how much time you put into it, George is just not going to get any better at ball handling or passing, he just does not do that well ... he does, however, excel when practicing Defense and shooting from the Perimeter.

In fact, I don't even think that they should TELL US which areas the guy is not going to develop in ... I mean, Rick Pitino or John Calhoun do not KNOW that recruit1 is not going to develop well at PE but will develop well at BH, but it certainly does happen.

I see threads all the time where everyone complains because their guy is not performing at 90/90/90 levels because everybody has a 90/90/90 player. This will prevent that and create diversity in players after they develop.

I do not see why people have problems with this. I think it perfectly logical that a guy can progress in some areas and not others. I think it is absolutely unrealistic to expect anything else.



The name of the game is What If. When coaches could control their own growth you did not have multiple 90/90/90 guys on every major D1 team, especially guys that were underclassmen.


aporter, although you own me in games, I must disagree. When coaches had contol of their players they woul be 90 90 90 in DII, no w there are caps. I'm sorry but you are wrong here. Please don't beat me.
5/14/2009 11:29 PM
Thanks for the $5 credit. Does Obama know about this? Surely there is a failing corporation out there somewhere that needs itr more than us!

My two cents-I occasionally mix up my real life with WIS life, but that being the case I coach hoop in real life and never once have I told a kid to stop working on his fundamentals because he's not getting any better. People can always inprove, especially young kids in the prime of thier life.
5/18/2009 12:10 PM
thanks seble!
6/2/2009 8:45 AM
Obama favors a prestige tax to help the less fortunate programs
6/4/2009 5:57 PM
Thanks for the $5.00 credit as an incentive for me to come back, but no thanks. The potential sucks and I wont be back.
6/8/2009 6:02 PM
thanks sable for the explanation and the 5 dollar credit.
6/10/2009 2:37 AM
My only problem with potential - and this has been pointed out - is that too many guys can reach 90 in certain categories. The 90s should be reserved for the few stud players.

I would also be willing to participate in a test world.
6/26/2009 9:41 AM
I have a player that improved 180 points over his FR and SO years and suddenly has only improved 1 pt his JR year.

That's right 1 pt through 10 games. It seems really far fetched to me that a player with a WE of 94 would just stop improving his JR. and SR. years. Isn't that when college players improve the most?

I thought that they fixed this problem.
7/19/2009 9:49 PM
I would think a college player would improve more his freshman and sophomore years and kind of tail off as he reached his potential. At least that is what I expected from my college players in real life.
7/22/2009 12:11 AM
And yet, Flex, in real life, you also have players that REGRESS their junior or senior year. ANd players that don't improve at all over their career, or make a huge jump and go no further.
7/22/2009 9:22 AM
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