Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 9/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/21/2009

Pitchers have a max IP based on pitches thrown. A 18/62 that's effective will get a lot more innings than an ineffective 18/62.

Appearently, based on the the content of your subsequent posts, what you meant by this statement, was that (for example) if a pitcher threw 2400 pitches in a season, and every one of those pitches resulted in an out, then he has a max IP of 800.

Which is (almost) true.

But I'm guessing that very few people (i.e. nobody but you) would read that statement as it is written and know with absolute certainty that's what you meant. Instead, a n00b might read that and conclude that what you are saying is that, for example, you should be able to predict how many IP an 18/62 pitcher should produce with a normal pattern of usage.

Which, as I pointed out, is misleading. You cannot.

I will agree that one of us has been extremely stubborn in this thread. I know you're not stupid, unless you suffered some brain damage over the weekend.

And, since you're just like my wife and NEED to have the last word and have YOUR WAY be the RIGHT WAY, it's all yours for the final word.




It seems that the n00b in question was fine with my response.

I think any semi-intelligent user would fully understand what I said and the correctness of it.

You, on the other hand, have agreed with me but continue to drone on and on. I assume you're attempting to make it known that you're not some dumbass who doesn't understand the game. I'll say it "You're not some dumbass who doesn't understand the game."

But you are a dumbass who felt he needed to add something when nothing needed to be added.

Do we agree that pitchers have limits? I think we do. No matter how you use them, they cannot pitch every inning of every game.

Do we agree that these limits are partially based on DUR/STM ratings? I think we do. You can't coax 190 innings from a player with 31/15 DUR/STM no matter what usage pattern you have.

Do we agree that better pitchers will get more innings than lesser pitchers, with the same DUR/STM ratings, at 100%? I think we do. A better pitcher gets outs quicker thus requiring less pitches. Less pitches = the ability to throw more innings.

Now, if we agree on what I think we agree upon, I'm not sure why you're still arguing. Because it's EXACTLY what I stated in my first post.

Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 9/21/2009As usual, I have nothing of value to add to this thread

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/21/2009
Deferring final word by comparing me to your XXL wife is not really giving one last say.

In the end, you agreed with me. If you'd just admit your point was pointless, I think we'd be done here.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/21/2009
I'm not seeing it.

Do pitchers have a max IP ceiling implied by their stamina and endurance ratings?

Pitchers have a max IP based on pitches thrown. A 18/62 that's effective will get a lot more innings than an ineffective 18/62.

This quite right to me.

Quote: Originally posted by zbrent716 on 9/21/2009I don't want to add fuel to the fire, as it were, but I do have to say Mike that - as someone who began in SLB and moved to HBD - I would have taken your initial answer perhaps a bit differently than you intended.In SLB, there is, in effect, a hard cap on IP (roughly 10% over RL, though based on pitches, as I recall) for the entire season. Sitestaff has said that the system used to calculate fatigue for pitchers in HBD is different, and it is clear in practice that it is.A noob coming over from SLB (where I suspect quite a few come from, like myself) could very easily misinterpret your answer. I think those are the sort of things we have to be very careful about when we put stuff into the Handbook, because if we are not we could end up doing a disservice to the noobs by providing information that can be easily misinterpreted and end up hurting them rather than helping.