Recruiting at a Distance - Needs Fixed Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 10/09/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By aidiamo on 10/09/2009

One aspect of recruiting that I want to see fixed concerning distance is the function of a player preferring to play near his home or to play far away from home. Maybe this does factor into things now but it doesn't really seem that way. It seems that if a player says he wants to go far away from home (say he's in NY) then you would think that a school in CA would in essence have an easier time recruiting that kid than a NY school would. Sort of a reversal of norm here. This is pretty common in RL as well and happens all the time with guys. This would also make it much easier for a school like Hawaii to not be at such a big disadvantage in trying to recruit mainlanders.




It doesn't factor in. I give it at most the worth of 1/2 a home visit.

I don't know that I want it meaning much though. Think about coaching Hawaii... What if your two good recruits on the Island every 3 years want to play away?
I think if this actually was a strong factor this would be more favorable to a school like Hawaii. They could potentially lose one or two kids who want to leave the Island (happens frequently in RL) but if a coach uses FSS to their advantage and finds the players on the mainland who really want to get away from their surrounding then they can go into California, Texas or anywhere else and win a battle against a local school competing for that same recruit. This would essentially give Hawaii a larger recruting pool of players willing to go there based on their location.
10/9/2009 3:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By aidiamo on 10/09/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 10/09/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By aidiamo on 10/09/2009

One aspect of recruiting that I want to see fixed concerning distance is the function of a player preferring to play near his home or to play far away from home. Maybe this does factor into things now but it doesn't really seem that way. It seems that if a player says he wants to go far away from home (say he's in NY) then you would think that a school in CA would in essence have an easier time recruiting that kid than a NY school would. Sort of a reversal of norm here. This is pretty common in RL as well and happens all the time with guys. This would also make it much easier for a school like Hawaii to not be at such a big disadvantage in trying to recruit mainlanders.




It doesn't factor in. I give it at most the worth of 1/2 a home visit.

I don't know that I want it meaning much though. Think about coaching Hawaii... What if your two good recruits on the Island every 3 years want to play away?
I think if this actually was a strong factor this would be more favorable to a school like Hawaii. They could potentially lose one or two kids who want to leave the Island (happens frequently in RL) but if a coach uses FSS to their advantage and finds the players on the mainland who really want to get away from their surrounding then they can go into California, Texas or anywhere else and win a battle against a local school competing for that same recruit. This would essentially give Hawaii a larger recruting pool of players willing to go there based on their location


Interesting view, I could see that working that way. At the same point you need to figure out where the breaking point of 'close', 'far' and wherever the middle ground would be. Once that is determined it would be interesting to see the recruiting cost differences for Hawaii and the closest "Far" school.

I think you might end up having Hawaii have a better West of the Rockies recruiting ability but I don't think they would have an advantage for anybody further then that in this senerio because their recruiting costs would increase so much that I don't know that a "want to leave" factor would (and I don't think it should) be worth so much that it is nearly impossible to recruit a kid.
10/9/2009 3:38 PM
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No, I don't think so. To be successful at Hawaii, it really is crucial to sign any good in-state kids. For the kids with the long-distance preference, Hawaii doesn't have any edge that dozens of other long-distance schools wouldn't as well.
10/9/2009 3:39 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 10/09/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By jskenner on 10/09/2009
Would the recruits from the next season 1) be fully formed (as they would be as college freshmen), or 2) would they develop during their HS "senior" years, some developing significantly more or less than others, just like in RL? I'd guess #1 would work much better, although less like RL. However, daalter is never one to let RL stand in the way of a better HD. ;)

That is my choice.
Agreed.
10/9/2009 3:40 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 10/09/2009A semi-related but different topic would be what people think of the current big vs. small set-up in HD. HD is much, much friendlier to the small schools (I'm talking DI, obviously) than real life. I think that's a good thing for the overall health of the game, because it keeps DI fun and competitive for those outside the BCS conferences. I can't stress enough how huge that is for both the health of the game and for staying as true as reasonably possible to the original premise of building a dynasty anywhere.
I agree that being able to compete from mid majors anywhere makes HD a lot more fun. The variable conference prestige might have been one of the better additions to the game. In Phelan, I think it showed that we should have had this added in earlier to the game. There were a good number of people that found it hard to leave their original human heavy conferences that snuck in to the Big6.

I started on HD late and with the exception of Phelan, I never had a chance to be in the first group of promoted coaches. this early David/Goliath mentality that played with, made me enjoy the 2-4 seasons it takes to get a D- team in to the NT because you can't get anyone to look at you in the first 2 days of recruiting. Once you get to a C prestige, everything starts flattening out and you can do a good job competing with Big6 schools if you consistently land the right guys in the top 100 at their positions. I think this leads to a much higher probability of having good coaches hidden away in nearly every conference.
10/9/2009 6:47 PM
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good stuff.

real good stuff
10/10/2009 11:24 AM
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ive allways thought that any change to allow more nationwide recruiting (like d3) would be good.

but a couple of posts here are making me rethink and maybe soften that stance. i still wish it was realistic to recruit outside 180miles, but im beginning to see that a nationwide free-for-all might not be such a good thing eiher.

as OR pointed out, potential's impact on practice plan strategy has also impacted this debate.

sorry i cant ramble more, but i gotta run. i know that must be really disappointing for many of you. but duty calls. if you really need a fix of oldavey wisdom, check the bigeast-tark coaches corner... im sure something will **** me off in the near future and incite a 4 page essay on the ills of HD.
10/10/2009 11:33 AM
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just throwing out an idea, haven't really thought it through....

but what if recruiting prices were substantially lowered. say cheapest CV is still $800, but most expensive is ~ $1200.

To counteract, FSS pricing was adjusted more regionally. Making it very cheap or even free to scout within 100 miles and then progressively more expensive as you go out further. States within 500 miles are double the price and states outside of 1000 miles are quadruple the price. and "possibly" get more inaccurate as you get further out?

this would somewhat mirror real life. Guys that are in high school around your campus are much easier to scout properly. Not just because of their proximity to your school, but it is likely that you will know someone that has inside info on the player as you are more entrenched in the community. As opposed to recruiting cross-coast, you gotta watch the kid play a few times and trust the scouting reports
10/10/2009 2:49 PM
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Also just throwing out an idea....

What if the top 10 ranked players at each position were on a more even pricing scale, making it a lot easier to recruit the top tier players nationwide? The remaining recruits could still be priced as they are today. This would allow the top programs to go after any of the top ranked players regardless of location. At the same time the mid-major schools could still target their recruits as usual.

Once again this is just a thought I had and figured I would throw it out there.
10/10/2009 8:49 PM
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