Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 11/06/2009i think what we should all do is talk about this a bunch, argue some, then not follow through with anything at all.

Harumph

This is almost mission impossible, should you choose to do it. My 1st thought is that there is no good way to go about this. To do it analytically would lead to favoring coaches that have been around longer, or if you created a list across all worlds, favor coaches that have play in multiple worlds. What about coaches that enjoy playing in tough situations or doing rebuilds? Certainly their winning % would be lower, but some would view them as doing "less with more". Theres also the issue where some worlds/divisions/conferences are just much easier to win than others.

To do a poll, would also favor coaches w/ multiple teams in multiple worlds. I've never coached in IBA, Naismith, Smith, etc... If you're strictly in those worlds, you have no idea how good/bad I am. Conversly I have no idea if you're any good or not beyond looking at your record.

Personally, I think the only way to go about it, is by panel, using multiple active coaches in each world/division. Coaches that can be subjective and have an understanding of the history of the worlds and conferences they compete in. For instance, in D3 Wooden, in the Upstate conference there are sub .500 teams in conference that would easily win or finish 2nd in many of the other conferences in Wooden. Its a slug fest every season. I'm sure there are other conferences like that, conferences where no one thinks they have any shot to go undefeated in conference play no matter how much talent they have. Some conferences are mostly simmed or filled w/ bad coaches, such that 1 great coach can dominate season in/season out and rack up 25+ win seasons. Its going to take some subjectivity, and probably leaning more towards postseason success in order to come anywhere close to ranking coaches w/n a world/division.

It would be near impossible to seperate multple alias for some coaches, while others you may have no idea how many accounts they have. I can't look at vandydave/duke and not think the same person, I'm sure some are the same w/ OR/Ryan, perhaps myself and my 2 (formerly 3) accounts, etc...

At any rate, good luck with this, it will take a ton of time no matter how you go about it, but certainly entertaining once someone gets the 25th spot and someone else says "yeah, but I've done more than that guy, and here's how..."

who is vandyduke?

OR - how would you rank those coaches listed above from Iba?



That might be a starting point to see how people weigh things.

If it were me and only ranking iba not other worlds I would do

1-lostmyth

2-combalt

3- kelby

4- olddave

5-tarheel

You can kindof tell waht type of conf they were in by # of ccoy's

To effectively do this you need to have two separate processes.

You need to narrow down the coaches. Two options: vote or stat based. Or you could do a combination of the two. Another way is to get the Top 5 coaches from each world, then combine into one larger list. However you do it, you have to narrow down the list to under 50 coaches.

From there you need to create a thread with a small write-up on each coach. Two sentences on pros (ie - NT wins were in DI, played in IBA DIII back in the day) and two sentences on cons (majority of wins were in Knight DII, one-trick pony only ran the press, superclass abuser).

Then through another vote or just discussion through a thread you need to Rank the list.

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So how would you go about coaches that don't still play or don't still play in the world OR? (very nice job btw)

I like the idea but d3 in iba as of the last few seasons is to easy and should not be rated the same as d1. btw dont forget lostmyth has 2 teams on this list that are not combined?

my thought is the list should weighted toward DI coaches as its the toughest place to win on a consistent basis imho.

I would have thought I would be on any IBA list with 18 straight postseasons in D1. I gotta try harder. Wish the NT was not such a crap shoot!

OR, I'd probably consider the NBA players as a way to separate the D1 coaches from the D2/D3. Since it's nearly impossible to separate the records at the three levels.

Maybe subtracting the NBA players from your final weighted scores.

Quote: Originally Posted By mrpolo09 on 11/06/2009To effectively do this you need to have two separate processes.

You need to narrow down the coaches. Two options: vote or stat based. Or you could do a combination of the two. Another way is to get the Top 5 coaches from each world, then combine into one larger list. However you do it, you have to narrow down the list to under 50 coaches.

From there you need to create a thread with a small write-up on each coach. Two sentences on pros (ie - NT wins were in DI, played in IBA DIII back in the day) and two sentences on cons (majority of wins were in Knight DII, one-trick pony only ran the press, superclass abuser).

Then through another vote or just discussion through a thread you need to Rank the list

i like that idea

Eh, I'm not a fan of having NBA players matter for anything. It's so arbitrary, and not really the measure of anything terribly relevant.

Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 11/06/2009my thought is the list should weighted toward DI coaches as its the toughest place to win on a consistent basis imho

i keep reading this, but am not sold...

my 2 cents: maybe if you are in an empty world this is true, but Naismith and Wooden d2 and d3 are just as tough as Naismith d1. my wooden d3 conference is as hard as the naismith ACC. (until i signed up for the mega bowl in Rupp, i'd never had a team anywhere but those 2 worlds...)