i had never sent seble a ticket before, but i sent one today inquiring about his statement to remove press and fastbreak as base sets, he said in the short term his goal was to more equalize (my word, not his) the current offensive/defensive sets, and in the long-term to remove press and fastbreak as base sets.

if a levelling of sorts is implemented well and the press is removed in a timely manner then i will genuinely believe the current admin understands both math and basketball, which would be thoroughly welcomed.

Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 5/16/2010Vandy, as furry asked. . what proportion of teams in total run Press in that world?

Specifically, what proportion of human controlled teams?

but this question doesnt respond to my primary concern, which is that running the press is so uncommon in actual college hoops but so prevalent here, which reveals a basic flaw in player ratings/press performance in HD

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Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 5/16/2010
Vandy, as furry asked. . what proportion of teams in total run Press in that world?

Specifically, what proportion of human controlled teams?

but this question doesnt respond to my primary concern, which is that running the press is so uncommon in actual college hoops but so prevalent here, which reveals a basic flaw in player ratings/press performance in HD

But you claim it to be magic/over powered. What team running press is having success that they wouldn't be having if they ran another set? Do you think you would be able to make it out of the 2nd round if your teams ran press instead?

I could point out several teams that I think have uncommon success running press whereas they would be miserable otherwise. You would just say that I was wrong, therefore I see no point in bringing it up. I'm not going to convince you.

Nah, I'd like to see them. I've never seen a team who won a national championship running press and I sit there and be like "wow, this team shouldn't have even made it to the sweet 16..."

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Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 5/16/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By arssanguinus on 5/16/2010
Vandy, as furry asked. . what proportion of teams in total run Press in that world?

Specifically, what proportion of human controlled teams?

but this question doesnt respond to my primary concern, which is that running the press is so uncommon in actual college hoops but so prevalent here, which reveals a basic flaw in player ratings/press performance in HD

But you claim it to be magic/over powered. What team running press is having success that they wouldn't be having if they ran another set? Do you think you would be able to make it out of the 2nd round if your teams ran press instead?

yes.

Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 5/16/2010And more importantly, which team in the sweet 16 runs press that is in it just because they run press. I'd like to see this, because I've never seen a team dominate just because they ran press. I've seen teams dominate with every set because they are talented, not because of the set they ran. I'm not in that world, so show me these teams that are only in the sweet 16 because they run press. I wanna see how 'magic' it is. How it can turn no-talent teams into elite sweet 16 teams. Which teams would be worse off (not in the NT?) if they were to have ran m2m/zone?

Furry, my team was in the S16 there. Look at them and tell me we'd be there if we ran zone or M2M. Tell me we'd be giving up only .77 points per possession with anything other than press. I've never had a team this good defensively in any division or with any system.

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as a final note to the above, the range in which press is disadvantaged is much, much larger than the range it is advantaged, IMO. and it should be that way. if one set is the best at the very highest end, it needs to be penalized hard at the other end. and in my mind, there is no question that is true. and its not just "the crappy teams". take a 5 freshman/3 soph team running zone, who makes the 2nd round. that team could very easily be part of the range where press is disadvantages. most likely, it is.

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Quote: Originally posted by furry_nipps on 5/16/2010And more importantly, which team in the sweet 16 runs press that is in it just because they run press. I'd like to see this, because I've never seen a team dominate just because they ran press. I've seen teams dominate with every set because they are talented, not because of the set they ran. I'm not in that world, so show me these teams that are only in the sweet 16 because they run press. I wanna see how 'magic' it is. How it can turn no-talent teams into elite sweet 16 teams. Which teams would be worse off (not in the NT?) if they were to have ran m2m/zone?

Furry, my team was in the S16 there. Look at them and tell me we'd be there if we ran zone or M2M. Tell me we'd be giving up only .77 points per possession with anything other than press. I've never had a team this good defensively in any division or with any system.

It really isn't surprising. In the 1st round match up I'd give the edge to you no matter what set you ran. In the second round the talent edge would go to them, but they were young so it isn't jaw dropping you were able to hold your own.

Playing in D3 I have beaten several pressing teams this year that were otherwise better than me but lacked either the speed or the depth to beat me with a press. I'm quite certain that several of my victories would have been losses had the other teams been playing zone.

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I don't think the press is magic anymore. It certainly has its advantages but it just requires a certain type of gameplan to beat. To compete with the best press teams, playing a man defense, requires high defensive ratings to match certain stats like TO's and assists. The most important thing I have noticed though is that if you gameplan correctly, you will have a good chance to shoot 50% which is the disadvantage of the press. Holy Family in Iba only shot 45% but held teams to 37% with #2 SOS. We were weak offensively but managed to have some good scoring games.

The thing I don't understand is, why was my team the ONLY man team to be in the top 10 in def FG%? Zone and combo teams I can see. (3 of the 10 I think) But the rest were press teams. I thought that press teams would give up higher FG% than other defenses. I always thought that if you break the press that you will get a layup, open shot, or get fouled. At least that is what conventional basketball wisdom says.

I'd be willing to bet that over 60% of the experienced human owners are running the press. Thus, only 60% of the teams being pressing teams does indicate that it's harder to be elite defensively with that defense...