Dalter Excuses WIS/Seble Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 5/26/2010
But that's just the problem, all you ever have to look at is just that one game in that one spec of time...it wasn't simmed 1000 times and they took the best result, it was simmed once under very specific settings that will never again be duplicated throughout the season because of things like player improvement/IQ, venue change, gameplay settings, etc....each game is incredibly unique thus looking for patterns of "bad engineship (if you will)" aren't necessarily going to repeat because no 2 circumstances are the same....thus if you aren't going to gripe about 1 game, you're likely not going to see anything wrong, whether there is or isn't something wrong.

And herein lies my point that you refuse to acknowledge.

Look, it's about patterns and odds. Your last sentence is telling of your lack of statistical understanding. Gripe all you want, that's fine, that's your right. But understand that your griping may simply be rooted in an unfortunate roll of the simulation dice, not an inherent flaw in the system.
5/26/2010 1:14 PM
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I never suggested that my gripe was anything more than an "unfortunate roll of the simulation dice" lol. My point is incredibly valid that its tough to find patterns in a game where teams/strategies/ratings/venues/etc are different for every single game out there, you're inherently less prone to find something wrong...
5/26/2010 1:16 PM
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Actually, it's not just statistical ignorance, it's also colonels' flawed system of logic.

Colonels is still stuck in a two-modal logic system. If you argue with him that the answer isn't Yes (the engine is flawed, as this one game proves!) then in colonels' mind you must think the answer is No (the engine isn't flawed!). He doesn't recognize that an answer like Maybe (one game doesn't give us enough information to determine whether the engine is flawed or not) even exists.

5/26/2010 1:22 PM
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I haven't suggested the the engine is flawed because of this 8 for 10 output...again exhibit A of you guys making up your own stories here. Can it happen, yes, obviously...should it happen...probably not...a 14 total PER/LP going 8-10...give me a break...again its not like I played plus 5 with 10s on DEF.
5/26/2010 1:24 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/26/2010And you say results from any one game don't matter, thus the game can never be wrong
5/26/2010 1:25 PM
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I'm not making anything up, son. You've made multiple statements to that effect in this thread alone.
5/26/2010 1:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/26/2010I'm not making anything up, son. You've made multiple statements to that effect in this thread alone
Ok, dad...post em
5/26/2010 1:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/26/2010
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/26/2010 And you say results from any one game don't matter, thus the game can never be wrong
Dalter said results from any one single game are "literally meaningless" his words not mine.
5/26/2010 1:29 PM
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It's almost like colonels is, in good faith, trying to apply Zeno's Arrow Paradox to statistics.
5/26/2010 1:29 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 5/26/2010Actually, it's not just statistical ignorance, it's also colonels' flawed system of logic.
Colonels is still stuck in a two-modal logic system. If you argue with him that the answer isn't Yes (the engine is flawed, as this one game proves!) then in colonels' mind you must think the answer is No (the engine isn't flawed!). He doesn't recognize that an answer like Maybe (one game doesn't give us enough information to determine whether the engine is flawed or not) even exists.
Well, I would want to see first if that one game is outside the universe of NCAA games played in 2009-2010 or maybe even the universe of games played since 2006, etc.

If a game occurrence is outside that universe, then the coaches might want to analyze it and see if we (the coach) is doing something to drive that being outside the universe. If we are not, then we should report it as a bug.

If it is within the universe of games played, and if it is not occurring at a much accelerated rate, then we don't have a problem.

First step though, is to REALLY look at the data and validate is outside the universe of normal possibilities.
5/26/2010 1:30 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 5/26/2010Well, I would want to see first if that one game is outside the universe of NCAA games played in 2009-2010 or maybe even the universe of games played since 2006, etc. Oh I could take you to task on this but I shall refrain.............

If a game occurrence is outside that universe, then the coaches might want to analyze it and see if we (the coach) is doing something to drive that being outside the universe. If we are not, then we should report it as a bug.

If it is within the universe of games played, and if it is not occurring at a much accelerated rate, then we don't have a problem.

First step though, is to REALLY look at the data and validate is outside the universe of normal possibilities.
5/26/2010 1:32 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/25/2010To date...the old engine is better than the new one...find me someone that says otherwise.
Looking back, this statement right on page 1 is indicative of colonels' flawed logic too.

I think most people's answer would be "It's too early to say whether the new engine is better than the old one." But that response isn't even an option for colonels.
5/26/2010 1:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/26/2010
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 5/25/2010To date...the old engine is better than the new one...find me someone that says otherwise.
Looking back, this statement right on page 1 is indicative of colonels' flawed logic too.

I think most people's answer would be "It's too early to say whether the new engine is better than the old one." But that response isn't even an option for colonels
Ok, but if the question on 5-20-10 is which engine is better, the new or the old...the answer currently IS the old...you can add suffixes after you answer the question, but don't sidestep the question to say that its too early to tell, answer the question. My answer + your answer is the PERFECT answer.
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