Undefeated regular season Topic

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thanks coach g, i dont let them get me down, honestly it just drives me to prove them wrong, i have proved already that i can win with my own players, no titles yet, but i feel like il get there either this season or eventually.

i think coaching has alot to do with winning and losing too. its funny how so many are saying anyone could win with my team, but then when i when a game its because the other coach didnt do his job coaching his team the right way..that is funny to me. 

ALL i can do is win, and im confident that this team will continue to do so..

once again thanks billyg, i feel like most the haters, well there the ones that have never gotten very fair, and are just hating cause they wish the could.
i cant wait to feel the awesomness of winning a title! 

1/24/2011 7:37 PM
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when WIS sends you your championship ring, let me know :D
1/24/2011 7:46 PM
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Posted by coach_billyg on 1/24/2011 7:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by coachuk on 1/24/2011 5:01:00 PM (view original):
honestly, i feel he gets a some credit, but he is not the coach here any more. i am the reason for the strong tourny run and undefeated season.  its amazing how some of you are short changing me becuase its my first season at the school.
coachuk, don't listen to those people. don't let them get you down. if you coached the team well, you coached them well, and nobody can take that away from you.

the reason people are saying what they are saying is, a lot of people believe recruiting far outweighs coaching. so they feel if 1 coach recruits a team, and another coaches them to a championship, the recruiting coach gets say 70% of the credit, and the coach gets say 30%.

this has to be evaluated on a case by case basis, but in general, i think people are crazy for thinking the above. coaching is a huge part of success. i have won with teams that the original coach had 0% chance of winning with, and they were half his players, mostly his upperclassmen were starting though. in that case, many people would say he gets most of the credit. how does that make sense? i don't know, and i strongly disagree. however, i do see where people are coming from in a way, just because you can coach a team to a title, does not imply you can recruit and coach a team to a title. so people feel to really prove you can do something, you need to do it with your own players. but like i said, a great coaching job is a great coaching job, and nobody can take that away from you.
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1/24/2011 8:05 PM
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Coach uk.......I preface this by saying I mean this with no disrespect, as I'm sure you're excited about your success. You're also technically coaching within the parameters that WIS allows. However, I must defend my conference mate. While he was obviously angry at the results, and his anger got the best of him, he did have a point about your team.

I don't know if many on here have noticed, but you've run a -5 defense throughout the entire season. Detfire (normally a great sport) was upset because his point guard fouled out in 12 minutes of play against a -5 defense....a result that is a statistical anomaly at best. That result played a huge part in his loss, so I think he had a right to be upset. Looking at the box score, the results of the game are very strange.

Comments about your team not deserving to be there are harsh. ....your team has some good players (2 excellent perimeter scorers).......but you're 32-0 with an extremely glitchy defensive setting that you've used for every opponent.  I don't know if you've altered your gameplan regarding player distribution throughout the season, but you definitely have not altered your defensive positioning. In the past, the -5 has been seen as a defense, by many, that is WAY too successful in many situations.  That is why those in our conference have questioned your success. I hope that you have not run that defense throughout your entire WIS career. You have only one good defender on the perimeter, constantly run a -5, and teams are only shooting an average of 35% from 3 point land against your team. That's straight-up glitchy.


Now, you might be doing some excellent gameplanning in regards to shot distribution.....that's possible. I'm not outright saying that your coaching has little to do with the success....but the constant -5 raises a lot of questions. Us coaches that gameplan for every matchup feel cheated when we think that we can be just as successful leaving the team on autopilot.

This is just my opinion....I rarely bash people, but I want to articulate where some of us in the CVAC are coming from.


1/24/2011 10:14 PM
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-5 defense has nothing to do with ur PG fouling out, i noticed he had a pretty atheletic point guard, so i made sure to adjust to having most of my ball handlng done with my More athletic guards. which is the only reason he could have fouled out.  

i could whine about my SF for nearly fouling out in the same amount of actual game time, he was limited due to fouls.. 

i won the game because my bigs rebounded better than his. my team shot the ball well, i was the bigger team. plain simple, i thought the result was about where i expected



and i hardly leave my team on autopilot

perhaps you didnt skim over the post coach g posted here as well

1/24/2011 10:46 PM (edited)
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are you just running the -5 everygame?
1/24/2011 10:47 PM
coachuk
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i will discuss my gameplanning decisions after the season is over, not before.
1/24/2011 10:53 PM
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i'm talking in the past tense. i don't want to go look at all  your games, but have you been just running a negative five for every game?
1/24/2011 10:55 PM
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yes, he played uptempo offense and -5 defense every game.
1/24/2011 10:59 PM
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Posted by uglyskunk3 on 1/24/2011 10:55:00 PM (view original):
i'm talking in the past tense. i don't want to go look at all  your games, but have you been just running a negative five for every game?
Clearly it takes some effort to make sure someone hasnt hacked into the account and changed the setting before each game.
1/24/2011 11:02 PM
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coachuk.......can you then explain the thought process behind the strategy to run the -5 every single game?

Adjusting distro is an important part of gameplanning, and it seems that you do a good job of that. As far as position, however, it seems as though you're just exploiting a glitch. This is not the first time that repeated usage of the -5 has led a team to unexpected success in WIS history. You started your own thread to draw attention to your performance, so pardon me if I'm a bit critical.

I agree with everything coach billyg said. My criticism of you does not conflict with his statement. My issue has nothing to do with you being a first year coach. I do believe that gameplanning is important, just like coach billyg does. Completely different conversation.

However, a significant part of gameplanning is defensive positioning, and you basically have your team on autopilot when it comes to that. From my vantage point, you basically started a thread saying "Look at me, I'm undefeated! I'm gameplanning really well!" and have neglected to mention that you've run an -5 uptempo every single game. Call me a cynic, but I'm unimpressed.



1/24/2011 11:09 PM (edited)
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first off u said my defense positioning resulted in a PG fouling out, it had nothing to do with that. 2ndly i dont know if there are exploits in the game, i try things and see what works, i do run -5 some, i for one as a basketball coach, like a team who focuses on rebounding so going -3, -5 is more my style. 3rd, uptempo was chosen with this team due to the fact they have good atheletes and the score well.  when i was at my previous stop, rhodes, where i had 2 sweet 16s and a title game appearance in 5 seasons, i played slowdown and mainly stayed in the -1 to -3 defense.  

further there is a new updated engine in place since about 3-4 seasons ago, granted iv only been around for about 10 total seasons, i dont know what exploits people have found over time.. 

when i innitially made the thread i was just trying to see how much rarity there was in going undefeated, its cool that iv got alot of people cheering me on regardless, and i dont play the game to impress you.
1/24/2011 11:16 PM
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if you did any other research you would also see that your buddys team has played badly vs a Man to man Def throughout the season. regardless of the defensive matchup. 

but you know you can make all the excuses you want for me winning, i won the game. no hard feelings, its amusing to me to see a entire conf players get their panties all twisted up cause you lost in the elite 8 to a top 5 team, (5th at the time) that runs a defense that the other team had trouble scoring on all season long.


1/24/2011 11:20 PM
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yeah coachuk bbunch is right, i was just commenting on the first year coach of a school issue, and being supportive. i wasn't talking about any of this other stuff you guys are talking about. i haven't looked at the team or situation so i have no comment on it...
1/24/2011 11:27 PM
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No hard feelings at all. This is not a personal attack.  However, you don't run -5 "some", you run it every single game. You've been disingenuous about that fact throughout this thread. It seems like you do your research on your opponents from your responses to my post, and I respect that. (though Pfieffer shredded my man-to-man defense twice this season)

The point of my response was to call attention to the fact that you've use the same positioning every single game. Now it's easier for people to have an informed opinion on your team's performance, either positive or negative.






1/24/2011 11:29 PM
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