if you amend that to mildly successful mid-major, you're right sir!

In Phelan the top 3 picks in the draft came out of the Southland and Sun Belt conferences  

Can't imagine that happens often

Which tells you that, at least this time, the top three were selected based upon statistiscs (not that they shouldn't have been drafted, but rather when).

Getting back to the conversation at hand, I had 7 (5 in the first round) drafted. Tell me, Joe. Do you find that to be in any way realistic?

7 is a lot but how many were seniors?

the 2010 Kentucky team had 5 underclassmen go in the 1st round....it's not THAT far from reality, right?

4-5 were seniors, but that's not really the point. Nobody should have 7 players drafted in basketball. And that Kentucky draft you keep quoting is a definate outlier in RL. 5 in HD is much more common and is thus unrealistic and bad for the game at the same time.

it's difficult to compare IRL to what happens here.  it stands to reason that schools in WIS would more often lose 5 players or more because WIS doesn't have an influx of international professionals that get drafted.  someone has to make up those spots in the draft and it stands to reason that most of the top players will be playing for the big 6 schools which would result in those guys taking a bigger hit than they do IRL. 

now whether or not there are enough good players to spread out the damage a little more evenly among the top teams is another story, and something that probably should be looked at.

It really isn't. Guess what, the influx of pure internationals is a fairly new thing, so to keep bringing it up is somewhat of a red herring. Regardless, there is nothing to say that those internaitonal spots have to be replaced by EE instead of seniors, or that they should be comprised of the 5th, 6th or 7th player from the same team.

Doomey had 7 drafted.  I had 6 taken in the same draft.  Someone find me a time when that's happened in RL.  Guess what, you can't.

Is the issue "the criteria for players being selected for the draft (espicially underclassmen) is out of whack"?  or no team should lose more than 2  EE?

I agree with the former not the latter.

Posted by doomey on 9/18/2011 5:20:00 AM (view original):
It really isn't. Guess what, the influx of pure internationals is a fairly new thing, so to keep bringing it up is somewhat of a red herring. Regardless, there is nothing to say that those internaitonal spots have to be replaced by EE instead of seniors, or that they should be comprised of the 5th, 6th or 7th player from the same team.

it's been going on the entire time this game has been around, so no red herring. 

do you have definitive evidence that there are a significant amount of "better" seniors that are going undrafted and that there are less talented EE's being drafted instead of them?  it can't be proven that the international spots are being taken up solely by early entries, it could well be 50/50, but the point remains that whether it's 25/75, 50/50, or 75/25 those spots have to be filled which results in more EE's than you would otherwise have. 

as for your last point i agree with you and said as much in my last post. 

Having no real experience at the upper levels of D1, this is just a thought regarding more than 1 thread going around, but it seems logical that a big part of the e/e problem has to do with the recruit generation problem that has left the mid/lower major conferences barren.

Without internationals to fill out the draft, an extra say 15-20 american players have to be drafted. With the lower schools being mostly SIM filled, the draft pool has to come from somewhere, so the Big 6 schools naturally have to fill in the extras as the SIMS aren't recruiting draftable players for the most part. 

No, one school shouldn't have 7 guys drafted, but from what I can tell that's happened once, so it's hardly something that needs to be factored in every year.  I think fixing the problems with recruiting/beseline prestige, etc that caused D1 to empty would sort of work out the e/e problem on it's own. 

Joe, your premise about internationals is just false. I cannot state it any more unequivicably than that. You presuppose that, because the game was created in 2005 and there were internationals in the draft at that time, that there is no model for a draft without them, which is, frankly, rediculous.

I don't think that's what Joe said at all.

If it's me your talking about I didn't say that at all.

My premise is the best 60 guys should get drafted, I don't care how many are on the same team.

It seems to be, some people have an issue with how the "best" 60 are calculated.

sorry, yes, it was bow2dacowz with the internationals (my the point remains), but Joe saying that 5 players being drafted is reflective of RL numbers.

Joe, that is one of the points of this whole thread, the best players are NOT gettting drafted. when you are dipping into the second string of deep run teams, you have to know that they are not the best. When the POY on a defending champ sits home (as happened recently), you know the best players aren't being drafted. When the NC keeps their highest rated (900+) player and an 822 jr goes EE, you also know it's not the best 60.