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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/30/2012 2:43:00 PM (view original):
Catching is interesting.
Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Juan Segui
Hardball Dynasty – Fantasy Baseball Sim Games - Player Profile: Ron Lamb

Lamb starts every game.  Comparable defensively but I'd take Sequi at the plate.
The difference between the two in negligible offensively...Lamb had a career 733 OPS while Segui had a career .752.  I liked Lambs defense better.  I don't see how this is "interesting".

And again, focus on my owner history for all of HBD.  It is clear I don't tank.
3/30/2012 2:49 PM
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You obviously don't tank every season.  I've already said you appear to know how to play the game.   However, you have about 14 seasons that you should be ashamed of rather than defending.   You made some "questionable" decisions and won 54 games.   You say "Do some research", so I do and point out these "questionable" decisions and you say "Look at my owner history!!!"    Now I've done that and owners who win as much as you do shouldn't be losing 95 games a season, ever, so what's next?

3/30/2012 2:56 PM
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And, before you point out my two 100 loss seasons, those were mid-season abandonment takeovers.  However, I take full credit for the 97 loss seasons in Coop/MG.  Those were all me.
3/30/2012 2:58 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 3/30/2012 2:56:00 PM (view original):

You obviously don't tank every season.  I've already said you appear to know how to play the game.   However, you have about 14 seasons that you should be ashamed of rather than defending.   You made some "questionable" decisions and won 54 games.   You say "Do some research", so I do and point out these "questionable" decisions and you say "Look at my owner history!!!"    Now I've done that and owners who win as much as you do shouldn't be losing 95 games a season, ever, so what's next?

14?  I had 6 that were less than 60 losses.  I take responsibility for them and I guess I could've done more to make them a little better.  But 6 seasons out of 130?  True tankers have a long history of doing it, for tanking to truly work you need to do it over several seasons to collect a mass of talent.  One season would not have that kind of impact.

Now to say that a good owner should never lose 95 games, sorry that kind of statement is just ignorant.  I build my teams to go in cycles win for 8-10 season rebuild for 2-6 seasons.  Some of those seasons are going to be bad just the nature of the game.  I'm willing to suffer through a few losing seasons to build a better long term team.  That isn't tanking, its good mgmt.  The type of mgmt that small market teams have to employ in real life.  And since we all operate within a 185M budget, all HBD teams are relatively small market.


3/30/2012 3:16 PM
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Posted by yanks21 on 3/30/2012 3:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/30/2012 2:56:00 PM (view original):

You obviously don't tank every season.  I've already said you appear to know how to play the game.   However, you have about 14 seasons that you should be ashamed of rather than defending.   You made some "questionable" decisions and won 54 games.   You say "Do some research", so I do and point out these "questionable" decisions and you say "Look at my owner history!!!"    Now I've done that and owners who win as much as you do shouldn't be losing 95 games a season, ever, so what's next?

14?  I had 6 that were less than 60 losses.  I take responsibility for them and I guess I could've done more to make them a little better.  But 6 seasons out of 130?  True tankers have a long history of doing it, for tanking to truly work you need to do it over several seasons to collect a mass of talent.  One season would not have that kind of impact.

Now to say that a good owner should never lose 95 games, sorry that kind of statement is just ignorant.  I build my teams to go in cycles win for 8-10 season rebuild for 2-6 seasons.  Some of those seasons are going to be bad just the nature of the game.  I'm willing to suffer through a few losing seasons to build a better long term team.  That isn't tanking, its good mgmt.  The type of mgmt that small market teams have to employ in real life.  And since we all operate within a 185M budget, all HBD teams are relatively small market.


building your team to lose for 2-6 seasons is, by definition tanking. In nearly every world, you could take an ML team of players off the free agent scrap heap and be competitive. 

3/30/2012 3:31 PM
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Posted by yanks21 on 3/30/2012 3:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/30/2012 2:56:00 PM (view original):

You obviously don't tank every season.  I've already said you appear to know how to play the game.   However, you have about 14 seasons that you should be ashamed of rather than defending.   You made some "questionable" decisions and won 54 games.   You say "Do some research", so I do and point out these "questionable" decisions and you say "Look at my owner history!!!"    Now I've done that and owners who win as much as you do shouldn't be losing 95 games a season, ever, so what's next?

14?  I had 6 that were less than 60 losses.  I take responsibility for them and I guess I could've done more to make them a little better.  But 6 seasons out of 130?  True tankers have a long history of doing it, for tanking to truly work you need to do it over several seasons to collect a mass of talent.  One season would not have that kind of impact.

Now to say that a good owner should never lose 95 games, sorry that kind of statement is just ignorant.  I build my teams to go in cycles win for 8-10 season rebuild for 2-6 seasons.  Some of those seasons are going to be bad just the nature of the game.  I'm willing to suffer through a few losing seasons to build a better long term team.  That isn't tanking, its good mgmt.  The type of mgmt that small market teams have to employ in real life.  And since we all operate within a 185M budget, all HBD teams are relatively small market.


I don't give a damn about how you build your teams.  Good owners shouldn't lose 95 games in a season.  You know why?  BECAUSE THEY'RE GOOD OWNERS!!!  Owners like you should never, and probably aren't, allowed into competitive worlds.   I'm ashamed that I lost 97 games in a season.  I'm embarrassed for such a weak performance.  You say "It's to be expected."   You're a tanker and anyone who reads this exchange knows it.   Enjoy your 110 win seasons in worlds that allow tanking.  And good luck getting into a quality world that won't put up with it.

Cycles have nothing to do with it.
3/30/2012 4:59 PM
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Admin shouldn't be opening any new worlds until we are close to waiting lists for the current worlds-there is already a glut of worlds out there, but everyone wants to open a new world so they can land a goldmine of talent

i.e. demand meets supply
3/30/2012 8:40 PM (edited)
dmurphy104
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huh?

We were down to 15 openings about a month ago. When a bunch of worlds roll at one time, there will be a bunch of openings. And there is no goldmine of talent in new worlds. Lastly, they arent opening much more than a world every 3-4 months. Im 6th on the list. My world wont move forward for a long, long time.
3/30/2012 8:46 PM
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A hard cap of $20 million is designed for playoff teams to get the good Intl prospects.  There is no way around that.  Also and more importantly it creates a higher value on Free Agents.  All of a sudden you create a premium on the declining years of 30+ year old FA while lowering significantly the cost of Intl players prime years.  That makes no sense at all.  In a "competitive" league that has almost no newbies or turnover it might make sense if everyone wanted to play with a cap.  However, without a doubt the easiest way to screw up a team for several seasons is to sign old or bad players to long term deals.  At least if a bad owner is loading up on prospects (be they good or bad prospects) the spend is upfront and related to one season.  Creating an environment where people have nothing to do with their money except sign long term deals with FA is a recipe for disaster in most leagues.   

When it comes to tanking, soft tanking, not being competitive etc. etc.  If you have a MWR of say 55, 120, 195 should address the tanking issue.  The rules of the game are what they are.  The goal is to win the World Series.  Accusing people who "soft tank" of being immoral or that a 30 million bonus for Intls is unrealistic  is just cherry picking what you don't happen to do and making it seem "wrong" in a moral sense.  The arguments don't even hold up.  I would argue that going 0 in ADV and college scouting is much more unrealisitc and predatory than winning 67 games for a couple years, or spending 30 million on a prospect.  See the Marlins, Rays, Pirates, Royals etc or Yu Darvish as examples of low budget teams who invested only in youth for years/high Intl signings.  No team in MLB spends nothing on advanced scouting or draft preperation for college athletes...not even one.  Why not argue that 0 on ADV scouting is immoral?  Why not make a rule against that?  

Trade rape of newbies, and hard tanking are bad.  Trade rape can be overcome by vetoes.  A league should have a MWR at whatever level they want to stop tanking.  Everything else is just strategy.  Some like one way others like another.  Going 0 on ADV is no better or worse than having a budget of $50 million and signing young players.  No strategy is unbeatable.  Super Teams only happen if the league allows it through poor management and poor competition, they have nothing to do with lack of rules for budget limits.         

    
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