But what about bigs in the post who lean on players like Shaq? So I guess if Shaq was leaning on a player with superior stamina they wouldn't get tired? Eventually they would. I would give 5 min max to anyone on this forum trying to deny Shaq the ball with him leaning on you. Yes, I know he is 7 feet tall. That is not the point here. Anyone with a large mass that leans and bumps into you can take its toll. There is more to stamina in bball besides running in circles.

Also, stamina in different sports don't necessarily translate equally into others. Lance Armstrong might be able to do it but your typical biker in your area is not. They might be able to ride for many miles but when you put them on the court they tire. I see it all the time in person.

Quote: Originally posted by swift1976 on 2/01/2010But what about bigs in the post who lean on players like Shaq? So I guess if Shaq was leaning on a player with superior stamina they wouldn't get tired? Eventually they would. I would give 5 min max to anyone on this forum trying to deny Shaq the ball with him leaning on you. Yes, I know he is 7 feet tall. That is not the point here. Anyone with a large mass that leans and bumps into you can take its toll. There is more to stamina in bball besides running in circles.

Also, stamina in different sports don't necessarily translate equally into others. Lance Armstrong might be able to do it but your typical biker in your area is not. They might be able to ride for many miles but when you put them on the court they tire. I see it all the time in person.

To reiterate, THis.

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Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 2/01/2010And?

If you want a player going over thirty minutes, put them at 'getting tired'

And you will get your *** handed to you if you do so.

Coaches don't lean on the 'fairly fresh' setting because they're too lenient their players. They do so because you're at a significant disadvantage otherwise.

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Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 2/01/2010And?
If you want a player going over thirty minutes, put them at 'getting tired'

And you will get your *** handed to you if you do so.

Coaches don't lean on the 'fairly fresh' setting because they're too lenient their players. They do so because you're at a significant disadvantage otherwise.

WOn't argue with that. I have no problem with expanding the ability to play and stamina. . but I think saying that an upper nineties means you 'should' be able to play a forty minute game straight through at fairly fresh, I don't quite agree with. . .

Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 2/01/2010THing is, in normal 'real world' baskeball, MOST teams woudl have their players set to 'getting tired'

Sorry, I completely disagree. In real life, the equation is the exact same as it is in HD -- at what point does a fatigued starter become less effective than his backup?

HD players reach that point much sooner than real life players do. If you want to speculate on why that is, fine -- but trying to write it off as a mere strategic difference between HD and RL is simply wishful thinking.

The strategy is the same.

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Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 2/01/2010THing is, in normal 'real world' baskeball, MOST teams woudl have their players set to 'getting tired'

Sorry, I completely disagree. In real life, the equation is the exact same as it is in HD -- at what point does a fatigued starter become less effective than his backup?

HD players reach that point much sooner than real life players do. If you want to speculate on why that is, fine -- but trying to write it off as a mere strategic difference between HD and RL is simply wishful thinking.

The strategy is the same.

I'm not sure you quite understand what I'm saying (Not saying its any fgault of yours, perhaps I'm just not explaining myself well to you), but I don't actually disagree that there is an issue. I just think the reaction many have of 'Well a 100 stamina means the player should mean that the player will be just as fresh at the end of the game as the beginning' is problematic in the OTHER direction.

Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 2/02/2010

Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 2/02/2010

Quote: Originally posted by a_in_the_b on 2/01/2010THing is, in normal 'real world' baskeball, MOST teams woudl have their players set to 'getting tired'

Sorry, I completely disagree. In real life, the equation is the exact same as it is in HD -- at what point does a fatigued starter become less effective than his backup?

HD players reach that point much sooner than real life players do. If you want to speculate on why that is, fine -- but trying to write it off as a mere strategic difference between HD and RL is simply wishful thinking.

The strategy is the same.

I'm not sure you quite understand what I'm saying (Not saying its any fgault of yours, perhaps I'm just not explaining myself well to you), but I don't actually disagree that there is an issue. I just think the reaction many have of 'Well a 100 stamina means the player should mean that the player will be just as fresh at the end of the game as the beginning' is problematic in the OTHER direction.

But that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that a guy can play that long without a severe drop in his ratings. He won't be as fresh, but certainly more effective than he would be in HD.

Well, in that case, perhaps the effects of the various categories should be modified. Wouldn't have a problem with that either.