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mmt, i don't want to get into a debate of "whose's ideas are right or wrong" what HD needs is what ideas are best for HD and would improve the game the best. I couldn't care less if it was your idea, mine, diablo's or furry's if it works for HD and makes the game better I am behind it.
3/5/2010 2:51 PM
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3/5/2010 3:03 PM
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I mean, Damn, I've got nearly as many Final Fours with my "dynasty" as you've got total SEASONS with yours. Drivel, I think not. And by the way, I don't scout just three states, I always get the 20% discount. I'll let you figure out how many states that entails........You rock? Hardly, bro. You're obviously a solid coach, who has had some pretty good success at Harding, but trying to compare what you've done there with what I've done at Northeastern State is almost so funny it hurts.

Enough of this.......back on topic.
3/5/2010 3:09 PM
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And before someone points out schools that have had more impressive "dynasties" than mine, believe me I know there are plenty. I've run into enough of them that I can name them by heart.......
3/5/2010 3:14 PM
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3/5/2010 4:04 PM
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For the record, I used FSS on 20 or more states at times, while I was @ Chico. (On a consistent basis)
3/5/2010 4:10 PM
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It was said long ago and I think it could still be beneficial... No FSS @ D3, balance out low end D2 recruits (drop downs), introduce FSS @ D2.
3/5/2010 4:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mlatsko1 on 3/05/2010It was said long ago and I think it could still be beneficial... No FSS @ D3, balance out low end D2 recruits (drop downs), introduce FSS @ D2
Not sure how feasible this is, but i wouldn't be against it.
3/5/2010 4:16 PM
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3/5/2010 5:15 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by mlatsko1 on 3/05/2010The new coach isn't going to do well in his 1st season anyway. Most are clueless about the boards and don't realize all of the help available to them until they start playing.

Not too mention that chatter dies down during recruiting plus any help you offer a newbie could be construed as collusion / cheating.

I don't have a solution, but one of the biggest problems for newbies is that they are throw into recruiting first thing. How are they supposed to know what categories are really important when they haven't even played any games?
3/5/2010 8:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _hannibal_ on 3/05/2010
Quote: Originally posted by mlatsko1 on 3/05/2010 The new coach isn't going to do well in his 1st season anyway. Most are clueless about the boards and don't realize all of the help available to them until they start playing.

Not too mention that chatter dies down during recruiting plus any help you offer a newbie could be construed as collusion / cheating.

I don't have a solution, but one of the biggest problems for newbies is that they are throw into recruiting first thing. How are they supposed to know what categories are really important when they haven't even played any games


Not to be a smartass, but they've got to have players to play the games.

It does seem a little rough though, that the most important aspect of the game (recruiting) is the first thing a new coach has to try to do successfully or risk devastating his team. And it doesn't matter how many threads you read or players guides you look at, until you actually have to recruit, you can't fully grasp the concept of what you're trying to do.

My first recruiting session ever in HD was what could kindly be referred to as a disaster. Had no idea what I was doing and ended up signing two players with six schollies worth of money and I signed them because they had the best overall rating (HUGE mistake) that I could get. Man, did I learn quickly after that. If I wasn't SO determined to make up for those mistakes, I could have very easily walked away from the game.

Because of that, I'm not opposed whatsoever to a veteran coach walking a new coach through his first recruiting session, be it on the coaches corner or preferably through sitemails. Call it collusion, call it cheating, call it whatever you want, but my personal opinion is that it would probably help keep some of the coaches who quit from leaving. And retaining even one new coach helps. My two cents......
3/5/2010 8:53 PM
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3/5/2010 11:02 PM
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I'll post one last time on this, and then just let it go. You accused me of spewing drivel, no? Said to check your dynasty, implying that it was something out of this world. Well, I did as you asked and checked your dynasty, and I'll give credit where it's due, you've got a fine program going there. But your dynasty isn't anything that would stop the presses, so I'm not really understanding why you felt the need to make that comment.

If you would have actually, you know, READ the comment that you chose to respond to, you would see that I said new coaches "could", not "would" being making a decision that could damage their programs. You and the coaches that you've mentored (and I commend you for taking the time to do this) may BE able to recruit and recruit successfully without using FSS. My comment that you chose to respond to wasn't about that group. Again, if you'd actually bothered to, you know, read what you responded to, you would have noticed I said "new" coaches, not experienced ones, such as yourself.

And I stand by my statement that using FSS in D2/D3 is not too expensive and to say with 100% certainty like you did is just patently false.

As for your two points at the bottom, I would agree 100% with you on point one. Point two, I happen to not agree with you because you're comparing your experience of not using FSS to one of a new (key word there) coach who doesn't have the experience you do with recruiting. Just because you don't use it and can recruit successfully doesn't mean a new (there's that word again) coach could. Following me?
3/5/2010 11:39 PM
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Seble, what do you think about segregating DI, DII and DIII FSS? I always thought it was implemented less than ideal. For example let's say two states have 15 DIII recruits but State 1 has 25 DI recruits and State 2 only has 3 DI recruits. DIII teams in State 1 will pay for more for the same number of usable recruits. Segregating will take care of 2/3 of the temptation.

Since some teams in DIII have recruits that show up on their DII screen where as other schools might see the same recruit on their DIII screen (because of higher prestige), you could eliminate the "drop down" occurance and have all DIII schools see the recruit on their DIII screen, but play it more like DI where the recruits' response could be of the back-up variety for the lower team.
3/5/2010 11:52 PM
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So, what would that make them? Are they D2 recruits or D3 in your system. Are they tracked in the system as potential D3 and thus even could be segregated as such? Do some recruits overlap? Even more so for D1 and D2? Should D1 coaches have to pay for the bottom of the barrel crap recruits that always go to D2 teams anyway? Should the top teams have to pay to see anyone outside the top 100? It just seems very circumstantial, my friend. Interesting, but...

Just saying. It seems nearly impossible to implement no matter the sentiment; I'm sure we'd all love to pay less for the service and not see the players that are clearly in another divisional catagory.
3/6/2010 1:37 AM
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