Of course since this LH 3B thing happened two seasons ago (before the defense update when an average RF at 3b was around 2.00), the last two pages of this thread are moot.

I could say it's all relevant because a big difference between your player and league average is always a warning sign but that would just be providing you with the opportunity to argue that you're apparently seeking.

Not interested in arguing. Just pointing out that if the league average RF is actually around 2.00, then there is no obvious warning sign if a player has a RF of 2.26.

For example: Sean Simontacchi had a RF of 2.02 two seasons ago.

If you're not interested arguing, why are you digging into my teams in worlds that you aren't in?

Because you used your world to show that an average RF was over 3.00. Apples to Apples, right?

Still arguing even though you're not interested in it? Didn't you get kicked out of Happy Jack for the same thing?

I used a very general average for every world I'm in. I paid no mind to what season crabby used his player. I just looked at his 3B RF. 2.26 is substantially lower than 3. Still relevant to everything on the last two pages.

Now admit that you're dying to argue. Or you're obsessed with me. Whichever floats your boat.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/19/2010
Still arguing even though you're not interested in it? Didn't you get kicked out of Happy Jack for the same thing?

I used a very general average for every world I'm in. I paid no mind to what season crabby used his player. I just looked at his 3B RF. 2.26 is substantially lower than 3. Still relevant to everything on the last two pages.

Now admit that you're dying to argue. Or you're obsessed with me. Whichever floats your boat

Now was that so tough?

Arguments are for when there's a difference of opinion, not when someone doesn't have his facts straight.

For someone not interested in arguing, you sure are doing a lot of it. Didn't you get kicked out of Happy Jack for the same thing?

Fact: 2.26 is substantially lower than 3. Correct?

No.

Yes.

But I don't see the relevance of either question.

However, since I have no desire to argue, I will leave you to your bitter confusion.

Seems I heard a different version. I know I rub people the wrong way, and no one cries when I leave a world, but I've never been asked to leave.

The fact that you claim to fail to see the relevance only reveals your desire to argue. All along I've claimed that a 3B with 2.26 RF was doing damage to a team as the average 3B has around a 3 RF. There is nothing incorrect about that. And, if nothing is incorrect about it, you have no argument. Which is really all you wanted.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/19/2010
Seems I heard a different version. I know I rub people the wrong way, and no one cries when I leave a world, but I've never been asked to leave.

The fact that you claim to fail to see the relevance only reveals your desire to argue. All along I've claimed that a 3B with 2.26 RF was doing damage to a team as the average 3B has around a 3 RF. There is nothing incorrect about that. And, if nothing is incorrect about it, you have no argument. Which is really all you wanted.

The average 3B had a RF of around 2.00 prior to defensive update. Not an argument, a fact.

And 2.26 is substantially less than 3. Which is what I've claimed all along.

What part of this do you not understand, Mr. Idontwanttoarguebutiwillcontinuetodoso?

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/17/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By crabman26 on 3/17/2010

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/17/2010
I think we have a different idea of "kill".

My guess is your LH 3B allowed 100+ extra baserunners. Again, I think that's pretty substantial.

100+??? If thats true then yeah, kill is right. As a team though, I had a decent season. Had I put a schlub out there at 3b who was all defense and no offense...my team would have been worse off in my opinion as Cook put up a Silver Slugger year at 3b...

Hod Mantei is my current 3b and he is only putting up a RF of 3.67....you saying a difference of 1+ in RF equals 100 runners on base?



Yeah. Your guy was making 2.26 plays per game. I'm guessing the league average is closer to 3. .74 x 162 = 119.9

If you give up an OAV of .250, those 119 hits equate to .278(working off 4300 AB). That's rather substantial.

League average was closer to 2.00, not 3.00. Flawed premise on your part.

Mr. Ican'thandleitwhenI'mwrongsoIjusthurlinsults

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That's from MG, btw.... Season 15.

Not sure where one would obtain historical data, but I thought this might be relevant.

EDIT: It didn't come out, but yes.... the far right column is Range Factor.