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schroedess26
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So your saying that the MLB has too many? Most people say there is too few or just the right # of teams. If we went down to 20% of the NFL teams we would be looking at like 6 teams total so 3 AFC and 3 NFC teams.

I personally feel like the NFL has the best playoff system out there. Exclusive yet inviting as well. It keeps things interesting for the great teams with byes and keeps it tight in the mid-upper level teams with getting into the playoffs.

Also, if you think everyone is in from the conference tourneys then why not just get rid of the tournament and have the conference champions of the tournaments play each other? You said that everyone was already in it right?
3/24/2010 11:52 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by schroedess26 on 3/24/2010Also, if you think everyone is in from the conference tourneys then why not just get rid of the tournament and have the conference champions of the tournaments play each other? You said that everyone was already in it right?

That's what they should do in football, IMHO.

But, back on target, we can complain all we want, and argue all we want, but the big corporate dollars will speak. If that means we have 256 teams, we have 256 teams. I'll just wait until the third weekend to watch.
3/25/2010 12:12 AM
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MLB definitely has too many. 4 was right for baseball. The NFL is okay but would be better at 10.

The NCAA though already lets every team though because of the conference tourney.
3/25/2010 8:23 AM
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I work in the programming department for a network that will remain nameless. Let's just say that a couple of other ideas being kicked around right now are switching to a double elimination round-robin format, like the college world series, and starting the tourney in February. Another idea being floated is doing it like world cup soccer or Olympic Hockey where there are multiple different pools representing many more than the current 4 regions in the country, and you need to finish 1 or 2 in your pool to move on after playing the other teams in the pool in a round robin format. The strongest 3rd place finishers would also move on. But to pull off this format the tourney would likely have to extend into May. Just some things to think about, and these are not likely to become part of any serious discussion for at least 3 years.
3/25/2010 10:18 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 3/24/2010
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/24/2010
One more thing...if you pull for an 8 or 16 team playoff in college football, you're asking for 7-14% representation of FBS college football.

College basketball already has 18.7% representation (65/347) and (very few) people want to bump it up to almost 28% (96/347)? Hello context!

MLB (27%): 8 out of 30
NFL (38%): 12 out of 32
NBA (53%): 16 out of 30
NHL (53%): 16 out of 30
MLS (50%): 8 out of 16
Nascar (22%): 10 out of 45(ish) possible to have more than 10 as well

So why are we so mad about just 28% of the teams making it in the NCAA if we went to 96 teams
If you noticed I was comparing college to college and that's a different animal than pro sports. The sheer number of teams are going to skew the percentages as you have 347 teams in cbb and 120 in cfb...whereas in the pro leagues you're looking at 32 max. NASCAR's Chase BTW is 12 out of 43.

I view the 65 team NCAAB tournament as nearly perfect, so why would I adjust to anything that would make something worse/less perfect? It works...why expand and give 32! teams first round byes? A lot of it is the sheer volume of teams making the playoffs...96 teams making the NCAAB tourney is comparable to the 32 making a proposed FBS tourney and from the eye test, that is just way too many. Nobody who wants a college football playoff is pulling for 32 teams...well maybe you, but you're in a vast minority.

NBA and NHL have too many teams make the playoffs, 16 out of 30 is ridiculous. 8 in the MLB and 12 in the NFL works and I don't think they need change. Schroed, part of this deal is feel and how the tournament works or doesn't work, and I think right now the 65 team NCAAB tournament is as fair and nearly perfect as it could ever be. I've never once talked to a fan that said, the NCAA should expand the basketball tournament...never. A 96 team tournament errs on the side of an elementary school field day where everyone gets a ribbon and where all the bubble and a lot of non-bubble teams get in, so you're getting a lot of undeserving fluff into the tournament. The conference champions DESERVE to be there because they won their conference tournament and did what they had to do to get into the tournament, per the NCAA rules, so that's how they're deserving and how non-bubble teams would be undeserving.

Don't fix what isn't broken...this is clearly a money grab.
3/25/2010 10:27 AM
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where is the $$ ?

it is an extra day of serious tv ratings - which is why the 68 plan will produce the $ - maybe even mo money than the 96 plan

I doubt that the $$ is in gate receipts - heck, not all of the first round venues sell out - they didnt this year in New Orleans and I think there may have been tickets available elsewhere. Sure, they could get 10 - 15 - 20 K people to watch in some places, but that is chickenfeed
3/25/2010 11:15 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 3/25/2010
where is the $$ ?

it is an extra day of serious tv ratings - which is why the 68 plan will produce the $ - maybe even mo money than the 96 plan

I doubt that the $$ is in gate receipts - heck, not all of the first round venues sell out - they didnt this year in New Orleans and I think there may have been tickets available elsewhere. Sure, they could get 10 - 15 - 20 K people to watch in some places, but that is chickenfeed



I think they're successfully duping the networks into thinking that this makes the NCAA tournament that much sexier that they will want to spend either more money than the last contract, or a lot more money than they would have in this economy because they've added 16 more games. I'm completely onboard with your 68 idea...but more games = more TV dollars, and I think that's what the NCAA is banking on, and I think they're going to get it.
3/25/2010 11:59 AM
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