Posted by chapelhillne on 10/22/2011 12:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by reinsel on 10/21/2011 2:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmax on 10/21/2011 11:24:00 AM (view original):
my number one thing to improve - rather simple - is that we should be able to pre-load our first cycle recruiting actions during the 5 - 10 hours before recruiting officially starts.  That first cycle of two hours matters too much and is too short.  It comes at a time that can be awkward in a number of time zones.  Why not load them anytime that day?

IF one says that they cant run the SIM recruiting until 5 pm ET on that day, I say fine - let us load during that day and take the risk that a SIM shows up at 5:00 ET.

How hard could this be?

How much better this would be for lots of users

This would be nice.

To me this would be one of the best changes, and probably extremely easy for them. If you miss that two hour window, you are at a very big disadvantage, especially at D3 and D2.

If you are banging away at recruits in the 1st cycle in DII or DIII then you are doing something very wrong.

Posted by reinsel on 10/23/2011 4:41:00 PM (view original):
Here is a good case study for things that are really annoying that could be improved.

I have a freshman, 2.7 HS GPA.  I give him 6 SH mins...maybe a little light.  He pulls a 1.4 at midterms.  I bump his SH to 17 minutes, and he ends with a 1.8 and inelgible. 

That sucks, and its so random.  Really won't mind if SH was just fixed based on HS GPA or eliminated altogether.

You started too light. And with a 1.4 (admittedly on the low range, but still you opened that door), you needed to go bonkers on the mins to ensure he would stay eligible.

Posted by girt25 on 10/23/2011 7:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by reinsel on 10/23/2011 4:41:00 PM (view original):
Here is a good case study for things that are really annoying that could be improved.

I have a freshman, 2.7 HS GPA.  I give him 6 SH mins...maybe a little light.  He pulls a 1.4 at midterms.  I bump his SH to 17 minutes, and he ends with a 1.8 and inelgible. 

That sucks, and its so random.  Really won't mind if SH was just fixed based on HS GPA or eliminated altogether.

You started too light. And with a 1.4 (admittedly on the low range, but still you opened that door), you needed to go bonkers on the mins to ensure he would stay eligible.

Maybe I did, but I have gone 15 seasons without giving anyone 10 SH mins and haven't had an ineligible.  Its just so hard to predict, which is what my complaint is.  I don't mind random, I just want to know my odds.

if you have gone 15 seasons without giving anyone 10 SH minutes and this is your first ineligible it would seem like it has been very predictable for you.

Posted by reinsel on 10/24/2011 9:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 10/23/2011 7:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by reinsel on 10/23/2011 4:41:00 PM (view original):
Here is a good case study for things that are really annoying that could be improved.

I have a freshman, 2.7 HS GPA.  I give him 6 SH mins...maybe a little light.  He pulls a 1.4 at midterms.  I bump his SH to 17 minutes, and he ends with a 1.8 and inelgible. 

That sucks, and its so random.  Really won't mind if SH was just fixed based on HS GPA or eliminated altogether.

You started too light. And with a 1.4 (admittedly on the low range, but still you opened that door), you needed to go bonkers on the mins to ensure he would stay eligible.

Maybe I did, but I have gone 15 seasons without giving anyone 10 SH mins and haven't had an ineligible.  Its just so hard to predict, which is what my complaint is.  I don't mind random, I just want to know my odds.

It's pretty obvious that CU simply isn't the serious academic institution that you had been associated with in Gainesville.

Buffalo: they can buffalo buffalo buffalo, but they can't pass their finals.

True...too much meditation in the mountain air.

I agree with the less randomness for gpa.

like many others I had what I thought was a totally random result.

4th year player with a 2.9 gpa
I started him off at 0 minutes for the 1st semester and he sits at 2.2 at the mid-terms
maybe I should have given him some minutes as he was a key starter so I upped his study hall from 0 to 10 as I wanted to be safe.
and he brings home a final 1st semester grade of 1.8 and is ineligible for 13 games.
If you average first half and second half that would indicate he was somewhere around a 1.4 with 10 minutes.
So I probably needed to give him 20+ minutes to avoid the drop from the mid-term of 2.2 to a sub 2.0

Second semester starts and I drop him to 6 minutes believing the first semester was a fluke.
With those 6 minutes he rebounds with a mid-term of 3.3
I drop him to 2 minutes for the second half of the 2nd semester.
He ends up at 3.8 for the semester
if averaging first half and second half he was 4.3 over the second half with those 2 minutes.

so I guess my assumption that you can average the two halfs of a semester and get the semester average doesn't work.




 

Posted by oldwarrior on 10/24/2011 10:56:00 AM (view original):
I agree with the less randomness for gpa.

like many others I had what I thought was a totally random result.

4th year player with a 2.9 gpa
I started him off at 0 minutes for the 1st semester and he sits at 2.2 at the mid-terms
maybe I should have given him some minutes as he was a key starter so I upped his study hall from 0 to 10 as I wanted to be safe.
and he brings home a final 1st semester grade of 1.8 and is ineligible for 13 games.
If you average first half and second half that would indicate he was somewhere around a 1.4 with 10 minutes.
So I probably needed to give him 20+ minutes to avoid the drop from the mid-term of 2.2 to a sub 2.0

Second semester starts and I drop him to 6 minutes believing the first semester was a fluke.
With those 6 minutes he rebounds with a mid-term of 3.3
I drop him to 2 minutes for the second half of the 2nd semester.
He ends up at 3.8 for the semester
if averaging first half and second half he was 4.3 over the second half with those 2 minutes.

so I guess my assumption that you can average the two halfs of a semester and get the semester average doesn't work.




 

Agreed that one is bad, iguana. However you beat me without him and lost to me with him ... so maybe they did you a favor?

it feels like it now takes more minutes to keep guys eligible. I have always given freshmen 12 mins of SH and never used to have a problem. Now, every semester, at least one or two freshmen are below 2.0 with those 12 minutes. Has something changed?

Girt, I know you think it's overly safe, so don't pound me again for it, but guys, just use the formula and adjust after every midterm or final. I have NEVER had a guy fail using it.

4.0 - GPA (rounded down)  x 10 (+2 if he's a Freshman) = SH minutes

So Reinsel, in the example above, Girt was right, you started to light. Here is how I would have done it.

4.0 - 2.7 (rounded down to 2.6) x 10 = 14 minutes if he was a transfer or a JUCO and,
4.0 - 2.7 (rounded down to 2.6) x 10 +2 = 16 minutes if he was a freshman.

You didn't (you went to light at the beginning of the season, I've forgtten to set it a couple of times and have gotten my own surprises) and he came in with a 1.4 at midterms. So the midterm adjustment should have been...

4.0 - 1.4 x 10 = 26 minutes if he was a transfer or a JUCO and,
4.0 - 1.4 x 10 +2 = 28 minutes if he was a Freshman

Than after a 1.8 on the first semester final

4.0 - 1.8 x 10 = 22 minutes or 24 if he's a Freshman.

It's just like the Ronco Rotisserie, just SET IT, and FORGET IT and make your adjustments after every midterm or final.

Posted by treyomo on 10/24/2011 11:52:00 AM (view original):
it feels like it now takes more minutes to keep guys eligible. I have always given freshmen 12 mins of SH and never used to have a problem. Now, every semester, at least one or two freshmen are below 2.0 with those 12 minutes. Has something changed?

Yes, I beleive they mentioned something just prior to the last upgrade, maybe 2 upgrades ago, that SH & grades were gonna be tweaked to make it a little harder.

Posted by courtmagic on 10/24/2011 12:18:00 PM (view original):
Girt, I know you think it's overly safe, so don't pound me again for it, but guys, just use the formula and adjust after every midterm or final. I have NEVER had a guy fail using it.

4.0 - GPA (rounded down)  x 10 (+2 if he's a Freshman) = SH minutes

So Reinsel, in the example above, Girt was right, you started to light. Here is how I would have done it.

4.0 - 2.7 (rounded down to 2.6) x 10 = 14 minutes if he was a transfer or a JUCO and,
4.0 - 2.7 (rounded down to 2.6) x 10 +2 = 16 minutes if he was a freshman.

You didn't (you went to light at the beginning of the season, I've forgtten to set it a couple of times and have gotten my own surprises) and he came in with a 1.4 at midterms. So the midterm adjustment should have been...

4.0 - 1.4 x 10 = 26 minutes if he was a transfer or a JUCO and,
4.0 - 1.4 x 10 +2 = 28 minutes if he was a Freshman

Than after a 1.8 on the first semester final

4.0 - 1.8 x 10 = 22 minutes or 24 if he's a Freshman.

It's just like the Ronco Rotisserie, just SET IT, and FORGET IT and make your adjustments after every midterm or final.

Maybe this works, but who knows?  I want to coach basketball not allocate study hall minutes.  Its not fun.  Just subtract 5 practice minutes from the dumb guys and add 5 to the smart guys.  Way more fun.

court, hopefully this doesn't constitute "pounding" your idea, but imho that's conservative to the point of being detrimental to the team.

Being safe is one thing, using up 50% more practice mins than you need is another.

And I agree with reinsel -- let's coach/recruit basketball, not worry about crap like this.

although - I (to my own benefit) agree that reinsel's plan sounds like a solid way to ensure eligibility. If it happens to allow my players to get better than his faster so that my team has an advantage if we ever meet, well, that' s just a pleasant side effect for me (who uses something more akin to girt's philosophy)