Posted by MikeT23 on 5/7/2012 11:55:00 AM (view original):
It's funny that deano talks of "maximizing budget" but doesn't understand that, due to the changing nature of rosters/needs/plans, that $1 in S1 may not carry the same individual value in S5.   Or that $4 in S1 may not have the same value as $1 in S5.    Weird.

Posted by tecwrg on 5/7/2012 11:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by deanod on 5/7/2012 11:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/7/2012 11:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by deanod on 5/7/2012 10:53:00 AM (view original):
It shouldn't take very much thought to realize that saving $4M in S1-S4 is always better than saving $1M in S5.  It actually took zero thought for me, because it was just completely ******* obvious from the moment I started playing HBD.  You're only hurting yourself by overthinking here.

All I ever do is make decisions with a "one size fits all" framework and I'm in the playoffs every damn year.  OTOH you and Mike are all about situational awareness and never make the playoffs.  If my mantra is dumb, what does that make you guys?

If I have some prospects or pre-arb guys in S1-S4 who will all be hitting arb-1 or arb-2 in S5, then maybe that $1m in S5 means more to me now than $1m in each of S1-S4.

But then again, that's "situational" and not something that you would concern yourself with.

This is such a losing mentality.

You are insane if you think $1M in S5 can possibly be greater than $4M in S1-4.  YOU ARE SELLING FOR 25 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR!!!  If it doesn't fit your roster situation (which is dubious at best; if you're good you should pretty much always be able to find some sort of useful allocation of spare cash) then make some damn trades such that it does fit your roster situation.  So long as you are getting > 25 cents on the dollar in your dealings, you'll be net making out ahead.

And that is based on your flawed assumption that every dollar of my payroll budget is worth the same to me every season.  Which might not necessarily be true.

I could be in a transition period where I might be running a fairly low payroll for a couple of seasons, I'm transitioning my other budgets (scouting, medical, training, etc.) for whatever reasons I may choose to do so, and due to the nature of +/- $4m budget adjustment restrictions, I may have more payroll budget than I really need now. So I may be more willing to spend it more freely now because it's a "use it or lose it" surplus, a luxury I may not have a few seasons down the road.

Again, it's situational.  If I save $1m a season in S1-4, but I don't spend it in those seasons because I have no need or nothing to spend it on, then what have I really accomplished by saving it?

If you have "no need" or "nothing to spend it on," you're doing it wrong.  I pretty much always find something to spend my spare player payroll on, if you can't you're probably doing something wrong.

eta- man my ADD is bad, dropped the same cliche twice in two sentences :(

Posted by deanod on 5/7/2012 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/7/2012 12:00:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/7/2012 11:49:00 AM (view original):
At the end of the day, we're talking about 1m difference in S5(assuming I decline and that's not a gimme because the ratings I like from him aren't the ones that take big hits as they age).   In my situation and under my current plan, I had/have way more money on the front end.

Admit that you got all butthurt because I refused to send you good players for a 2B/3B who can OPS .750.   He isn't a difference-maker and you wanted more than I was willing to give in trade.

And, as you know, the crap FA class led to all the overpriced contracts.  When you budget for FA and the FA sucks, you overpay.

Why would I be BH over that?  Remember I withdrew my offer and told you that I liked reino's prospect better than yours.

Because you act like a teenage girl about 70% of the time.   And an arrogant *** the other 30% of the time.  

How dare I not accept your offer?   Surely I don't understand the game as well as you so I should have known it was a fair offer, right?

Huh?  I didn't care that you didn't accept my offer.  The whole argument was over the fact that you blasted reino for getting bent by me, and then you went ahead and filled your 3B hole through different means of overpay that wasn't any more favorable for you than acquiring Arias was for him.

Posted by tecwrg on 5/7/2012 12:14:00 PM (view original):
You sound just like my wife: "There's my way, and there's the wrong way".

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/7/2012 12:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by deanod on 5/7/2012 12:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/7/2012 12:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by deanod on 5/7/2012 11:55:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/7/2012 11:49:00 AM (view original):
At the end of the day, we're talking about 1m difference in S5(assuming I decline and that's not a gimme because the ratings I like from him aren't the ones that take big hits as they age).   In my situation and under my current plan, I had/have way more money on the front end.

Admit that you got all butthurt because I refused to send you good players for a 2B/3B who can OPS .750.   He isn't a difference-maker and you wanted more than I was willing to give in trade.

And, as you know, the crap FA class led to all the overpriced contracts.  When you budget for FA and the FA sucks, you overpay.

Why would I be BH over that?  Remember I withdrew my offer and told you that I liked reino's prospect better than yours.

Because you act like a teenage girl about 70% of the time.   And an arrogant *** the other 30% of the time.  

How dare I not accept your offer?   Surely I don't understand the game as well as you so I should have known it was a fair offer, right?

Huh?  I didn't care that you didn't accept my offer.  The whole argument was over the fact that you blasted reino for getting bent by me, and then you went ahead and filled your 3B hole through different means of overpay that wasn't any more favorable for you than acquiring Arias was for him.

Whoops!!!  Here we go again!!!

So you know what's more favorable to me?    Explain how you know this.    What are my plans for the prospects you requested?  What was I going to do with the extra 6m I spent on Branson?

Posted by tecwrg on 5/7/2012 12:14:00 PM (view original):
You sound just like my wife: "There's my way, and there's the wrong way".

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/7/2012 12:33:00 PM (view original):
I wasn't confident in knowing what reino should do.  I sort of knew what he shouldn't do but, then again, he did do quite well in his first 21 seasons before getting a season off for failing to hit the MWR so maybe he does know best.

Posted by deanod on 5/7/2012 12:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/7/2012 12:14:00 PM (view original):
You sound just like my wife: "There's my way, and there's the wrong way".

Does your wife's way win 100 games every year and 5 straight championships?

It's not a matter of taste, it's a matter of maximizing the quality of your team.

Posted by deanod on 5/7/2012 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/7/2012 12:33:00 PM (view original):
I wasn't confident in knowing what reino should do.  I sort of knew what he shouldn't do but, then again, he did do quite well in his first 21 seasons before getting a season off for failing to hit the MWR so maybe he does know best.

That's fine.

FWIW I don't think Branson was a necessarily bad move for you; given how bad the contracts were this offseason I think you made out quite well to only pay that much for him.

But I also have an inkling (not 100% confident!) that acquiring Branson  isn't any better for you than acquiring Arias was for reino.