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I'm a Jayhawk fan, and was a bit upset when Duke beat Baylor (sister goes there), but tonight clearly showed me that Duke is a very very good team. I don't think they have the most talent on the floor every night (well they will against Butler though). But they are well coached and relating this to HD they have the best team IQ. As for the Refs, they can make whatever calls they like, they have nothing to do with actually putting the ball through the hoop like Duke seemed to do with ease tonight.

4/4/2010 12:46 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 4/03/2010west virginia sucks. kentucky played horrible, but west virginia did not impress me one bit their game against UK or washington. i think if you take teams 80th percentile performance, the best teams out there were kansas, syracuse, kentucky, and ohio state. any of those teams playing each other, both playing well, would have been the games i would love to see this tournament. but consistency killed them all :

I'll give you the first three, but if you actually think that Ohio State was a better team than Duke, then once again I say don't let your hatred for Duke blind you to the fact that they're a very good team. Ohio State better than Duke? Only if you're a Buckeye fan or a Blue Devil hater. Duke beats Ohio State eight out of every ten times they play.

This is a Buckeye team that lost to North Carolina (who Duke crushed twice), barely snuck by Cal (who Duke crushed), lost to Michigan (and needed a 35 footer at the buzzer to avoid losing to them AGAIN), lost to Minnesota, lost to West Virginia (who Duke just crushed), and you're gonna try to convince me that they're better than Duke? Sorry, ain't buying it......

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4/4/2010 12:56 AM

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Quote: Originally posted by emy1013 on 4/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 4/03/2010west virginia sucks. kentucky played horrible, but west virginia did not impress me one bit their game against UK or washington. i think if you take teams 80th percentile performance, the best teams out there were kansas, syracuse, kentucky, and ohio state. any of those teams playing each other, both playing well, would have been the games i would love to see this tournament. but consistency killed them all :(I'll give you the first three, but if you actually think that Ohio State was a better team than Duke, then once again I say don't let your hatred for Duke blind you to the fact that they're a very good team. Ohio State better than Duke? Only if you're a Buckeye fan or a Blue Devil hater. Duke beats Ohio State eight out of every ten times they play.This is a Buckeye team that lost to North Carolina (who Duke crushed twice), barely snuck by Cal (who Duke crushed), lost to Michigan (and needed a 35 footer at the buzzer to avoid losing to them AGAIN), lost to Minnesota, lost to West Virginia (who Duke just crushed), and you're gonna try to convince me that they're better than Duke? Sorry, ain't buying it......

i think duke might win more than 50%, but i said their 80th percentile game, which is what i hope to see in a critical NT game. if you watched ohio state since evan turner came back, they are very explosive, and when they play well, they are very good. i think their ceiling is higher than duke's, maybe its just because i hate duke, but i also think what coach k does best is get his team to play well regularly, they are more consistent than any of the big programs, maybe. i have watched duke maybe a dozen times this year and i think against quality defense, they are limited in how well they can play. too much reliance on the 3, if its almost all contested 3s, their offense seems to struggle a lot. sure, all the teams have weaknesses and all that... i just feel like duke's ceiling is lower than some of the teams they outperform on a regular basis.

4/4/2010 3:04 PM

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I don't like Duke. West Virginia is a good defensive team and I had to turn the game off in the 1st half because I felt like Duke was going to win. They executed their offense very efficiently against West Virginia. Being a Louisville fan, I also live in Kentucky and I was rooting for them after my Cardinals played SOOO horrible. The fact of the matter is that Louisville could've beaten Duke, but they couldn't beat Cal. That is the way Louisville has been all season (can beat/lose to anyone). That said this tournament was WIDE open. No clear top team and even the elites not much difference in the first 3-4 tiers... Duke did deserve a #1 seed over anyone else with the exception of possibly West Virginia. West Virginia proved last night, they didn't deserve a 1 seed.. at least not more than Duke. Duke is not the best team in this tournament by a long shot imo, but they are well coached. Also, they have been very consistent and played very good in the tournament. Duke- The most consistent team in the tournament this year.... Butler- The team with the best game plan, execution to that plan, and best at imposing their will into the game this tournament... I don't like Butler either ever since they upset the Cardinals in a game like 10-11 years back. Butler had a kid that flat out couldn't miss from 3 in that game. It should be a good game if Butler continues to execute to their game plan. I hope Butler wins because Duke is my LEAST favorite team. I have to give respect to them this tournament though, because, even though it PAINS me to say, they deserve it... HAPPY EASTER!

4/4/2010 3:34 PM

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Both valid points guys, and I certainly respect both of your opinions. I guess that's one thing that's great about college basketball and sports in general. We can disagree or agree to disagree and do it in a civilized manner (well, most of us anyway)!

4/4/2010 4:39 PM

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Switching gears for just a second. I've got to preface this comment by saying that I always thought that Bob Huggins was a ***** (or scumbag, or ***, etc., you get the point) and somewhere in one of these threads even agreed to a post that said as much.

However..........what I saw last night when DaSean Butler shredded his knee made me rethink my opinion of the man. The way he comforted that poor kid, the way he cradled his head in his arms and got nose to nose with him, the way he wiped the tears from that poor kid's face, and stroked his cheek was something to behold.

The man has always come across to me as gruff and insensitive, but what he did last night, in front of 71,000 sets of eyes and millions more watching on television, well that was just awesome. He didn't give a damn who saw that display of emotion for his player, that display of emotion that certainly was contrary to the image that he normally portrays. The genuine compassion and love that he showed to DaSean Butler, in a game that was not going his way, at a moment that all but sealed his fate as far as getting to the title game was concerned, spoke volumes to me about the man's TRUE character.

Listen, I was in the military for four plus years and during that time I was trained on how to best eliminate the enemy (to kill, basically). Since then, I've worked for the last fourteen years in a Federal prison dealing with the "angels" of society (and please note the sarcasm there). Long story short, in those eighteen years, I have basically been trained/taught how to take emotion out of the equation as much as possible. Makes it alot easier to do the things that I had/have to do. That being said, there's not a whole lot that really affects me emotionally anymore. The birth of my son was about the last thing I can remember that really got me choked up and that was over five years ago. But, what I saw last night caused me to have tears in my eyes.

Like I said earlier, my son is five (soon to be six) and has already shows signs of being an athlete. If he's lucky enough to become a good enough athlete to earn an athletic scholarship, I would have no problem whatsoever with him playing at whatever school Bob Huggins is coaching. Not after what I saw last night.......

4/4/2010 5:12 PM

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Quote: Originally posted by emy1013 on 4/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By furry_nipps on 4/03/2010What a bore. Sorry your Ducks got knocked out so early. Wait, I meant in the NIT. Wait, I meant.....oh, just forget it.

I don't care for duck basketball - only football. I don't have any sort of team I root for in college basketball I watch it because I enjoy basketball. Can't wait to see the reffing in the game.

4/4/2010 5:22 PM

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Man oh man, a shot at the ref's and the game is still 27 hours away. Can't wait to hear all the conspiracy theorists if Duke wins.......

4/4/2010 6:08 PM

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Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 4/04/2010
Quote: Originally posted by emy1013 on 4/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By coach_billyg on 4/03/2010west virginia sucks. kentucky played horrible, but west virginia did not impress me one bit their game against UK or washington. i think if you take teams 80th percentile performance, the best teams out there were kansas, syracuse, kentucky, and ohio state. any of those teams playing each other, both playing well, would have been the games i would love to see this tournament. but consistency killed them all :

I'll give you the first three, but if you actually think that Ohio State was a better team than Duke, then once again I say don't let your hatred for Duke blind you to the fact that they're a very good team. Ohio State better than Duke? Only if you're a Buckeye fan or a Blue Devil hater. Duke beats Ohio State eight out of every ten times they play.

This is a Buckeye team that lost to North Carolina (who Duke crushed twice), barely snuck by Cal (who Duke crushed), lost to Michigan (and needed a 35 footer at the buzzer to avoid losing to them AGAIN), lost to Minnesota, lost to West Virginia (who Duke just crushed), and you're gonna try to convince me that they're better than Duke? Sorry, ain't buying it......

i think duke might win more than 50%, but i said their 80th percentile game, which is what i hope to see in a critical NT game. if you watched ohio state since evan turner came back, they are very explosive, and when they play well, they are very good. i think their ceiling is higher than duke's, maybe its just because i hate duke, but i also think what coach k does best is get his team to play well regularly, they are more consistent than any of the big programs, maybe. i have watched duke maybe a dozen times this year and i think against quality defense, they are limited in how well they can play. too much reliance on the 3, if its almost all contested 3s, their offense seems to struggle a lot. sure, all the teams have weaknesses and all that... i just feel like duke's ceiling is lower than some of the teams they outperform on a regular basis

this overlooks something vital. duke has been able to win ugly with great success the second half of the season. i would argue its a very good team that can win even when the 3s aren't falling and the shooting percentage is low. this team is winning on rebounding and defense, it wins pretty when the 3s actually fall.

4/4/2010 7:41 PM

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Good point Dave.

4/4/2010 8:03 PM

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Duke is a great team this year. To say that Duke is not the best team in the nation by this point is laughable. The way Duke has played in the NCAA tournament has been incredible. They rotate 4 big man in and out and just dominate the glass. They play great team defense, shoot the ball well, have 3 players who can score from all over the floor (no need to say who), have 3 point shooting off the bench (Andre), have 2 bigs whose athletic skills are right there with anyone (Plumlees), have a giant guy to clog up the middle who is extremely unselfish and does anything to win (Zoub), and have an energy guy who out rebounds guys 3 inches taller then him (Lance).

However, for some reason people refuse to see this. Duke is a great tournament team. They run their offense well, dominate the glass, and shut teams down. If they win tonight (and I hope they will), they will definitely deserve this title and they will deserve the respect of everyone. They won't get it, but that doesn't matter. All that matters is that they will be National Champions.

4/5/2010 8:36 PM

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congrats to duke.

i think if kansas plays duke kansas wins, but thats not how it happened.

4/6/2010 12:08 AM

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Wow, WHAT A GAME! As a diehard Duke fan, I'm ecstatic that they won, but Butler has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, had Hayward's last second shot been about an inch over, Butler wins that game. Not to mention his shot before that with about 5 seconds was also right on line. Duke was very, very fortunate to come away with that win.

Anyone who watched that game that thinks Butler being there was a fluke or that Butler is a "mid-major" probably doesn't understand college basketball as well as they think they do. Butler may play in a mid-major conference, but that's no mid-major team. They are a very good team, period. And since they return most of the key players from this year's team, it wouldn't be a shock at all to see them make another deep run next year too. Maybe not to the title game, because there's always a little luck involved, but an Elite Eight or Final Four run is definitely within the realm of possibility. Kudos to them for playing an excellent game.

But.....they'll be hanging that National Championship banner in Durham, so to all of you "geniuses" that proclaimed that they didn't deserve that number one seed, or that they would go out early, just one question. Are you able to speak clearly yet or is your foot still stuck too far in your mouth?

And Mike, I've been a Duke fan longer than you've been alive, but even I've got to admit that Duke wasn't the best team in the nation this season. Things broke just right for them upset-wise, but that's part of the beauty of the one-and-done aspect of the tourney. They caught some breaks and they took advantage of them. Like CHAMPIONS do! Good night everyone.

4/6/2010 12:22 AM

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