The Press Was Always A Glitch Topic

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5/31/2010 12:04 PM
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5/31/2010 3:38 PM
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Conference rivalry aside.

I agree with you mike. Under the old engine even with low stamina and IQs his team talent would still trump the lesser teams he has lost to. The A+ prestige will speak for that. Maybe the change will be good in the long run, but it has been drastic to those who use the press and completely altered the top 25 at the D3 level.

The press being "magic" days are over. Question is has it been made unusable, IMO.
5/31/2010 3:59 PM
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5/31/2010 4:15 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by udm_mike on 5/31/2010Who are you? Have you bothered to look at the recent teams I got blown out by?

Why would that matter? The discussion is about the press, and you're trying to run it with a roster that should have no expectation of success whatsoever running that defense.

Unless your opponents were also running press, and were an even poorer fit for it, the quality of your opposition really shouldn't matter.
5/31/2010 4:17 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by rockafe11a on 5/31/2010I agree with you mike. Under the old engine even with low stamina and IQs his team talent would still trump the lesser teams he has lost to. The A+ prestige will speak for that. Maybe the change will be good in the long run, but it has been drastic to those who use the press and completely altered the top 25 at the D3 level.The press being "magic" days are over. Question is has it been made unusable, IMO.

Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. Trying to answer that question by looking at mike's roster is foolish though. No matter how "talented" his roster is, it's not suited to running a press defense.
5/31/2010 4:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By rockafe11a on 5/31/2010
Conference rivalry aside.

I agree with you mike. Under the old engine even with low stamina and IQs his team talent would still trump the lesser teams he has lost to. The A+ prestige will speak for that. Maybe the change will be good in the long run, but it has been drastic to those who use the press and completely altered the top 25 at the D3 level.

The press being "magic" days are over. Question is has it been made unusable, IMO.



This might be the dumbest 3 sentences ever strung together on these boards...and that's saying something.

You agree that its a bad change to make IQ and stamina actually matter??? You agree that its a bad change to actually make someone make a freaking effort at coaching instead of just trotting out a roster of snot-nosed fat kids fresh out of high school and expecting a win???

Seriously? This has gone from merely ridiculous to completely asinine.
5/31/2010 5:15 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by antonsirius on 5/31/2010
Quote: Originally posted by rockafe11a on 5/31/2010I agree with you mike. Under the old engine even with low stamina and IQs his team talent would still trump the lesser teams he has lost to. The A+ prestige will speak for that. Maybe the change will be good in the long run, but it has been drastic to those who use the press and completely altered the top 25 at the D3 level.The press being "magic" days are over. Question is has it been made unusable, IMO.
Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. Trying to answer that question by looking at mike's roster is foolish though. No matter how "talented" his roster is, it's not suited to running a press defense.


I don't get it. I must not remember what its like being in div III, because aside from his rebounding his team looks fine for running the press IMO. Certainly better then a 1-9 team vrs a 200+ SOS team. His ath/speed is good, his IQ is not great, but its not like hes running a set with no IQ like I'm doing. He goes 11 deep with everyone between 23 and 13 MPG so stamina really shouldn't be that big of an issue. I have yet to look at his PBP - maybe it is an issue, but certainly looking at the stats he shouldn't be getting ran out that much while still using his depth.
5/31/2010 5:30 PM
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The press has become nearly unusable IMO. Disclaimer: I am mike's fellow A+ team in his conference. When he first started complaining, I thought it could still be run effictively. I am now convinced it can not be run well. Teams that I would normally destroy I am having close games with. That is why I am now putting a significant portion of practice time into zone.
5/31/2010 6:01 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by tkimble on 5/31/2010Teams that I would normally destroy I am having close games with.

i think this was the idea behind balancing the press in the first place
5/31/2010 6:23 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by pinkeye on 5/31/2010
Quote: Originally posted by tkimble on 5/31/2010Teams that I would normally destroy I am having close games with.
i think this was the idea behind balancing the press in the first place


I meant talent wise. I am significantly more talented, but we still have close games despite my IQ and ath/spd advantage.
5/31/2010 6:36 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by cheeznsweet on 5/31/2010

This might be the dumbest 3 sentences ever strung together on these boards...and that's saying something.

You agree that its a bad change to make IQ and stamina actually matter??? You agree that its a bad change to actually make someone make a freaking effort at coaching instead of just trotting out a roster of snot-nosed fat kids fresh out of high school and expecting a win???

Seriously? This has gone from merely ridiculous to completely asinine.
Wow. Seriously? People never cease to amaze me.

#1 - What I said was a true statement. Like it or not. This really isn't even arguable. Do you understand the basic idea that you have to consistently make good runs in the NT to keep an A+ when the baseline is C- at the D3 level? If not, we can't continue this conversation cause thats a bit asinine.

#2 - I believe stamina and IQ should absolutely matter. Never said anything even remotely close to that. They didn't matter enough under the old engine. These are steps in the right direction. Don't be ridiculous.

#3 - I was merely acknowledging the fact that the press is now more realistic. No one actually runs a press the entire game in college basketball. The "glitch" has been fixed. At the same time those that have implemented it for many seasons now find themselves losing to less talented teams. Oh well, who gives a damn. Time to suck it up and switch to M2M. Adapt and overcome.
5/31/2010 6:42 PM
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5/31/2010 6:51 PM
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Undefeated against the #1 SOS winning by 50 ppg...just like last season.

I was refering to my games against Howard Payne and Brooklyn.
5/31/2010 7:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By rockafe11a on 5/31/2010


This might be the dumbest 3 sentences ever strung together on these boards...and that's saying something.

You agree that its a bad change to make IQ and stamina actually matter??? You agree that its a bad change to actually make someone make a freaking effort at coaching instead of just trotting out a roster of snot-nosed fat kids fresh out of high school and expecting a win???

Seriously? This has gone from merely ridiculous to completely asinine.
Wow. Seriously? People never cease to amaze me.

#1 - What I said was a true statement. Like it or not. This really isn't even arguable. Do you understand the basic idea that you have to consistently make good runs in the NT to keep an A+ when the baseline is C- at the D3 level? If not, we can't continue this conversation cause thats a bit asinine.

#2 - I believe stamina and IQ should absolutely matter. Never said anything even remotely close to that. They didn't matter enough under the old engine. These are steps in the right direction. Don't be ridiculous.

#3 - I was merely acknowledging the fact that the press is now more realistic. No one actually runs a press the entire game in college basketball. The "glitch" has been fixed. At the same time those that have implemented it for many seasons now find themselves losing to less talented teams. Oh well, who gives a damn. Time to suck it up and switch to M2M. Adapt and overcome.

rock, #3 is totally off base.

If they are going to offer press as a base defense, they need to make it viable. Not stronger than everything else, not a mutant defense -- but viable just like m2m or zone. Period.
5/31/2010 7:48 PM
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