hahah spot on Favre!

I'll tack on a few more of my 2 cents around this.

I really never liked multiple IDs for a single user. There are definitely some who need the multiple IDs (those with more than 10 teams or those who only like 1 a day or 2 a day). This doesn't bother me too much because those people are often open and honest about what their multiple IDs were. It's the people who are not obvious that they have multiple IDs (unlike ab90 and abninety which is clear it's the same person) that are a problem IMO. Guys like Spud who had 3 IDs and was caught using multiple IDs and denied it over and over are the ones I'd be more worried about.

My solution was that you had to link your IDs together. I'm sure there is a way to do it where it shows you have multiple IDs so you can see who is who. Then, you could just program it so you're not allowed to pick up another team if your first team is within 1000 miles. Is there a lot of work there to do it? I'm sure there is but it'd take the responsibility of reporting violations away from the consumer. Because that's what we're talking about here, the system is set up for us - the community - to make sure the game is fair and people are following the rules. Seble only does anything about it when really pushed.

Oh I'm most certainly a peckerhead.

I don't know why you think creating threads isn't the best way to get results. The renewal loophole finally got fixed after several years of tickets to seble and various mentions on the forums. Hell, it was brought up a couple months before I created the Wall of Shame thread and most people wanted it closed and Seble wouldn't do anything.

Now the loophole is fixed and everyone agrees that it should be. What would be the optimal way you would have gone about getting this loophole closed?

For what it's worth, there's been issues with ab90 in Hardball Dynasty, too.

Posted by googooman on 4/27/2020 10:26:00 AM (view original):
For what it's worth, there's been issues with ab90 in Hardball Dynasty, too.

What has he done there?

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/27/2020 3:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by npb7768 on 4/26/2020 7:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by beachhouse on 4/26/2020 6:12:00 PM (view original):
Why on this site do people circumventing rules consistently get defended? I am curious about this.

I agree... how is he being defended at all? And especially by a legitimate HD Mount Rushmore Hall of Famer. It's unbelievable.

Also, this is not a new thing with this cheater guy. It's been going on for a LONG time, it's just that we've all just tolerated it and we've been very freakin patient. If this thread hadn't been started by the actual cheater, unrepentant and smug and arrogant, then his sh-t would've continued indefinitely into the future.

Also, somewhere in this thread there's a comment to the effect that said, ok, so he cheated, no biggie, aren't there more important things going on in the world? ... Which is one of my most disliked cop-out answers that i hear day to day... basically any statement, question, concern, anything, can be given that answer as a complete cop out.

My wife: "Sh-t, i burnt the toast, and now we're out of bread".
Me: "Heh, heh... Aren't there more importrant things in the world going on???".
My wife: --> throws the toaster at me.

Every thread in this forum could have that as a response:
- "Gee, i thought i'd qualify for a Div-1 job this offseason... what more do i have to do?"
- "Heh, heh... Aren't there more importrant things in the world going on???".

- "Argh, i lost a recruiting battle when i was up 60 to 40 percent".
- "Heh, heh... Aren't there more importrant things in the world going on???".

- "Hey, this guy has 2 teams in the same world, offers scholarships to the same recruit with both teams, and cheats".
- "Heh, heh... Aren't there more importrant things in the world going on???".

i mean, wtf?

For the record, gil is the one saying "so he cheated, so what? No biggie. People cheat all the time in games like this. We're lucky its only a few"

i realize the point he's making here. But he's TOTALLY wrong on this. Sure, we aren't the ethics police and we shouldn't torture and smear every person that does one little thing wrong. But it's also NOT "no big deal" and something that should be overlooked. We all want an even playing field, and we all want to play by fairplay guidelines. If someone doesn't, they should be exposed and it should be brought to the attention of others.

Gil tells ME to "get a grip" earlier in this thread. But turns around and says "ah, cheaters? Nothing to see here. No big deal. Let it happen". A lot of times I argue here for the sport of arguing. But on this topic, I'm right gil. And you're wrong. No way around that one. Sorry buddy. And you know that too.

and I'm referring to any circumstances. Not just things discussed in this thread. This thread isn't even the worst we have at all when it comes to "cheating". This thread is just the hot topic of the moment

just to kinda defend my statements here, that isn't what i was going for. i didn't say it was ok he cheated or that he shouldn't have been reported (or at least, that wasn't my intent) - i just said i don't think its crazy to take the stance that its a little silly for people to be hawks on this kind of stuff. but again - i don't think this is a random reporting - and as such its a bad example anyway. but even if it was a good example, i'd take no exception with the reporter.

i think people should follow the 1000 mile rule. and i have no issue with folks reporting them for it. these days, its relatively black and white whether its allowed or not (its not), and its been that way for years - so all my complaints about dealing with folks who got into the multiple team game in compliance with the rules, those no longer apply.

i do think the concerns about the money making aspect are totally overblown / ridiculous. and i think the reactions to not-really-cheating but not-really-not-cheating stuff like that other thread on the guy who forgot to renew, are a little overdone. hence my taking a stand for reasonableness. but i didn't intend to take a stand for cheating! or for willfully ignoring the 1000 mile rule.

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/27/2020 11:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/27/2020 3:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by npb7768 on 4/26/2020 7:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by beachhouse on 4/26/2020 6:12:00 PM (view original):
Why on this site do people circumventing rules consistently get defended? I am curious about this.

I agree... how is he being defended at all? And especially by a legitimate HD Mount Rushmore Hall of Famer. It's unbelievable.

Also, this is not a new thing with this cheater guy. It's been going on for a LONG time, it's just that we've all just tolerated it and we've been very freakin patient. If this thread hadn't been started by the actual cheater, unrepentant and smug and arrogant, then his sh-t would've continued indefinitely into the future.

Also, somewhere in this thread there's a comment to the effect that said, ok, so he cheated, no biggie, aren't there more important things going on in the world? ... Which is one of my most disliked cop-out answers that i hear day to day... basically any statement, question, concern, anything, can be given that answer as a complete cop out.

My wife: "Sh-t, i burnt the toast, and now we're out of bread".
Me: "Heh, heh... Aren't there more importrant things in the world going on???".
My wife: --> throws the toaster at me.

Every thread in this forum could have that as a response:
- "Gee, i thought i'd qualify for a Div-1 job this offseason... what more do i have to do?"
- "Heh, heh... Aren't there more importrant things in the world going on???".

- "Argh, i lost a recruiting battle when i was up 60 to 40 percent".
- "Heh, heh... Aren't there more importrant things in the world going on???".

- "Hey, this guy has 2 teams in the same world, offers scholarships to the same recruit with both teams, and cheats".
- "Heh, heh... Aren't there more importrant things in the world going on???".

i mean, wtf?

For the record, gil is the one saying "so he cheated, so what? No biggie. People cheat all the time in games like this. We're lucky its only a few"

i realize the point he's making here. But he's TOTALLY wrong on this. Sure, we aren't the ethics police and we shouldn't torture and smear every person that does one little thing wrong. But it's also NOT "no big deal" and something that should be overlooked. We all want an even playing field, and we all want to play by fairplay guidelines. If someone doesn't, they should be exposed and it should be brought to the attention of others.

Gil tells ME to "get a grip" earlier in this thread. But turns around and says "ah, cheaters? Nothing to see here. No big deal. Let it happen". A lot of times I argue here for the sport of arguing. But on this topic, I'm right gil. And you're wrong. No way around that one. Sorry buddy. And you know that too.

and I'm referring to any circumstances. Not just things discussed in this thread. This thread isn't even the worst we have at all when it comes to "cheating". This thread is just the hot topic of the moment

just to kinda defend my statements here, that isn't what i was going for. i didn't say it was ok he cheated or that he shouldn't have been reported (or at least, that wasn't my intent) - i just said i don't think its crazy to take the stance that its a little silly for people to be hawks on this kind of stuff. but again - i don't think this is a random reporting - and as such its a bad example anyway. but even if it was a good example, i'd take no exception with the reporter.

i think people should follow the 1000 mile rule. and i have no issue with folks reporting them for it. these days, its relatively black and white whether its allowed or not (its not), and its been that way for years - so all my complaints about dealing with folks who got into the multiple team game in compliance with the rules, those no longer apply.

i do think the concerns about the money making aspect are totally overblown / ridiculous. and i think the reactions to not-really-cheating but not-really-not-cheating stuff like that other thread on the guy who forgot to renew, are a little overdone. hence my taking a stand for reasonableness. but i didn't intend to take a stand for cheating! or for willfully ignoring the 1000 mile rule.

Gil, I think you are missing an important observation here: there is not a single reporter of ab90. Multiple people created tickets.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/27/2020 9:56:00 AM (view original):
You know, I don't want to argue any further but I will close with this. (I am aware this is a ****** way to try to get the last word in.) Is there away to achieve the results you want without creating an atmosphere of toxicity and negativity?

If you don't think these types of threads have any negative effect on the user base then I guess it doesn't matter. I am merely suggesting than these types of threads ultimately do more harm than good.

I am glad the double resource loophole got closed, I do think AB shouldn't be allowed to have teams 20 miles from each other. Starting threads calling people cheaters based on limited, one sided information, isn't the optimal way to achieve these results, IMO. (yes, i know he started the thread, I do find the irony in that.....)

If I am wrong, sobeit, it's just an alternate view point.

I would like to make one suggestion. After posting in here telling <insert username here> how wrong, dumb, cheaty they are, post in some other thread with helpful advice or similar positive interaction.

Or not, most of you are peckerheads anyway. I kid, I kid.....only some of you are peckerheads.

If I am a new user and see this I think there is a community that doesn't tolerate others taking advantage of the rules and will call them out on it.

Id rather play an online game with those users than ones that allow new users to be exploited by the vets using multiple IDs to help in recruiting.

thats fine favre - i really have no issue with the reporter or reporters - and/but im not sure how many there are matters. no issue with the reporter here...

i just don't think ab is willfully using his multiple teams to gain an advantage, and hence, i'm not that worried about it *personally*. i wouldn't report this myself. however, i don't fault the people or persons who do.

i also wanted to do my part to get this to 10 pages, as somebody requested :) almost there!

You are all missing the biggest point. He used "whomever". What a bourgeois thing to do. Who uses traditional grammar now? Or capital letters....

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/27/2020 10:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by googooman on 4/27/2020 10:26:00 AM (view original):
For what it's worth, there's been issues with ab90 in Hardball Dynasty, too.

What has he done there?

This is debatable, but there’s a good chance I’ve been the best user of all time, and I let people know it when they give me ****, which is often when you’re on top and keep to yourself. You have any other takes, person I don’t know either?

Posted by Trentonjoe on 4/27/2020 11:44:00 AM (view original):
You are all missing the biggest point. He used "whomever". What a bourgeois thing to do. Who used traditional grammar now. Or capital letters....

Haha

" By the way, admin returned Bluefield State. I’m checking out of this thread. Don’t lick any doorknobs in the coming weeks. "

" For somebody who has sworn off alcohol, you sure come to this bar a lot. "

...

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/27/2020 11:39:00 AM (view original):
thats fine favre - i really have no issue with the reporter or reporters - and/but im not sure how many there are matters. no issue with the reporter here...

i just don't think ab is willfully using his multiple teams to gain an advantage, and hence, i'm not that worried about it *personally*. i wouldn't report this myself. however, i don't fault the people or persons who do.

i also wanted to do my part to get this to 10 pages, as somebody requested :) almost there!

Team efforts galore: ridding us of potential exploits and helping those feel better about themselves when they knowingly or unknowingly position themselves to take advantage of them. At the end of the day, it appears there are many members of this community who care deeply about it. This might be the best aspect of the two current popular threads.