Redshirt Dilema, to keep or not? Topic

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I put a RS on a freshman PG who has lots of high potentials and not a great starting WE. My team this year also has 2 seniors and 2 juniors at G so he wouldn't play much at all. His starting WE is 38 and when I put the RS on he rejected it and dropped to 28. I know a 10 point drop isn't that bad but I feel like dropping into the 20s could have a big impact on his long term growth even with the extra season. He has high potential in 6 categories (not including stamina and durability) and high-high in 3 that I am aware.

Here is the player www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx
high-high in speed, LP, BH
High in rebounding, defense, passing (never got a scouting report on passing).

Basically long story short I'm worried that the WE drop means he might not reach his potential even with the RS season. Thoughts?


10/15/2012 7:49 PM
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Are you going start him 3/4 years? This guy started at 24 WE and maxed his senior year, easily and he was high/high in a lot of areas too. http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2133304 ... food for thought
10/15/2012 8:11 PM (edited)
emy1013
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I'd leave it on and wouldn't look back.
10/15/2012 8:40 PM
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I use 28 as my lower WE cutoff on preliminary searches, so I'd leave it on.
10/15/2012 8:43 PM
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Thanks I'll keep it on. Hes kind of an experimental player for me because Ive never taken a perimeter player with Per as low as his but if he develops he could still be unstoppable inside the arc.
10/15/2012 11:11 PM
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Posted by emy1013 on 10/15/2012 8:40:00 PM (view original):
I'd leave it on and wouldn't look back.
+1
10/16/2012 1:11 AM
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with the new rule, if you take the redshirt back off, will he regain the loss in WE, or is that not recoverable?
10/17/2012 8:38 AM
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Posted by ejectgoose on 10/17/2012 8:38:00 AM (view original):
with the new rule, if you take the redshirt back off, will he regain the loss in WE, or is that not recoverable?
He would regain the WE but if I tried to put the RS back on a second time he would probably go down to 1.
10/17/2012 8:58 AM
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I'm assuming there is a reason you didn't inform of the redshirt during recruiting, which is probably because you wouldn't have gotten him if you had (either because he would've said "you crazy" or something like that and dropped you himself or because you were in a battle and it might have meant losing it).

I think you're fine leaving it on him if he's only going to drop to 28.

Having said that, worry about killing a player's potential (particularly in high high areas) is what makes me never put a redshirt on someone unless I informed them in recruiting and they said they were okay with it.

10/17/2012 3:12 PM
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Posted by bistiza on 10/17/2012 3:12:00 PM (view original):

I'm assuming there is a reason you didn't inform of the redshirt during recruiting, which is probably because you wouldn't have gotten him if you had (either because he would've said "you crazy" or something like that and dropped you himself or because you were in a battle and it might have meant losing it).

I think you're fine leaving it on him if he's only going to drop to 28.

Having said that, worry about killing a player's potential (particularly in high high areas) is what makes me never put a redshirt on someone unless I informed them in recruiting and they said they were okay with it.

you can ALWAYS try and then undo it with no impact. 
10/17/2012 3:14 PM
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Redshirting doesn't impact potential whatsoever.  Not sure why you would worry about killing it.  If it axes the WE then obviously it impacts the ability to reach potential, but as billyg already said and I think was mentioned above, if you pull the RS he will return to his starting WE.  There is no long-term impact to RSing a guy and then removing it.  I suppose, technically, there is some amount of reduction in the player's growth the 1 cycle where he takes the RS (or the next cycle, depending on the order of responding to RS activity and improvements, but my strong guess would be that responding to RS activity comes first).  But this is a very minor impact given that it's only 1 practice cycle.
10/17/2012 4:34 PM
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I would leave it on in D2/D3.
10/17/2012 4:50 PM
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Posted by bistiza on 10/17/2012 3:12:00 PM (view original):

I'm assuming there is a reason you didn't inform of the redshirt during recruiting, which is probably because you wouldn't have gotten him if you had (either because he would've said "you crazy" or something like that and dropped you himself or because you were in a battle and it might have meant losing it).

I think you're fine leaving it on him if he's only going to drop to 28.

Having said that, worry about killing a player's potential (particularly in high high areas) is what makes me never put a redshirt on someone unless I informed them in recruiting and they said they were okay with it.

I was in a battle for him with fairly limited resources. If I had used the inform there was no way I would have been able to come back and win. I got kind of lucky the other guy had too many open roster spots and other battles so he didn't try to fight for Conklin.
10/17/2012 7:15 PM
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Couple of things:

First, the reason I said it would kill his potential is BECAUSE it would lower WE, which would limit him from reaching those potentials (and unfulfilled potential is a great waste both in this game and in real life).  I guess you are right, though, you could always try it and see how the player reacts.

Second, I understand that situation blackdog. I usually only redshirt guys I didn't have to battle for, though (often because they are guys no one wants to battle for in the first place because they are all potential and aren't necessarily very useful right away).
10/17/2012 9:08 PM
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Posted by bistiza on 10/17/2012 9:08:00 PM (view original):
Couple of things:

First, the reason I said it would kill his potential is BECAUSE it would lower WE, which would limit him from reaching those potentials (and unfulfilled potential is a great waste both in this game and in real life).  I guess you are right, though, you could always try it and see how the player reacts.

Second, I understand that situation blackdog. I usually only redshirt guys I didn't have to battle for, though (often because they are guys no one wants to battle for in the first place because they are all potential and aren't necessarily very useful right away).
Yea I normally try to RS a player at a position that I dont need right away but will need either the following season or 2 down the line so I have an experienced player ready to go. Because of that I will often try and get the best possible player I can at that position and then RS them so they can be a beast for several seasons.
10/17/2012 11:09 PM
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