So, after being told my Stanford team with their 22 RPI and 20 win season was dropped down to a 9 seed because of MOV, and being told 42 RPI 21 win conference-mate Cal was vaulted all the way to a 6 seed for the same reason, I'm wondering if MOV is too influential in seeding. Especially considering the nature of the sim. I know the purpose, but I don't think it translates to a real eye test or at least not one that should have this strong of an effect on seeding.

RPI and SOS are nice tools, but you don't realize how un(der)-developed they are until you take them to the "next level".  I would/should tab your results, but I'm rather tired/lazy at the moment...sorry.  I personally think WIS is trying to do a bit of face-saving here...I don't think point margin doesn't mean as much as they're suggesting here, but it's hard to tell.

As developed, or underdeveloped as they may be, they are a heck of a lot more useful than mov for gauging seeds

I lied, I'm gonna tab it to see what my ranks say lol

Posted by doomey on 6/11/2013 12:21:00 AM (view original):
As developed, or underdeveloped as they may be, they are a heck of a lot more useful than mov for gauging seeds

I personally think they said that to pacify you/get in the least argument possible to be honest...a lot of customer service is damage control.

judging by my rankings, I feel that it's a fair gap between a low(er) 6 and a high(er) 9

Even using no point margin, they still pace you by a comfortable margin...14.5 instead of 15.7 roughly.

I do see where you're coming from though, you had a better CT, your RPI and SOS are better...I had the same circumstance in Phelan with me and a Sim AI Anderson...I had a better RPI and SOS, won the CT over them, I ended up being an 11, they were an 8...I tabbed my rankings for both teams, and they paced me by about 20, and their SOS read better in my system than the "actual" SOS

MOV is in the formula, but I don't think it has anywhere near the impact that would account for the seeding differential between Stanford and Cal. The weight of MOV was even ratcheted down in one of the updates. The logic does heavily weigh wins against the Top 50 and Top 100, though, and Cal had 10 such wins to Stanford's 7. I think that's a bigger factor here than MOV.

I did look at that prof, and I agree that it pulls the two teams a lot closer than the RPI's indicate and Cal has a good resume. I was mostly riffing off what CS gave me as a reason for Stanford's lower than expected seeding.