I have a SF that has high potential in passing and I have 19 minutes of practice time in passing. We are 15 games into the season and he has only improved by 1. His ball handling has improved by 3 and it was high (now average) and he is only getting 15 minutes of practice time. He has a WE of 30 so I don't expect a lot of improvement, but I didn't expect this few.

Why has his passing not improved more?

Could be a couple of reasons:

1. Skills increase faster "in the middle".    I can't say for certain what the middle is defined as but I think it is about 17-83.   Scores less than 17 and over 83 improve slower than the #'s between them.   With a passing score of 6, he's gonna improve slower.

2. Skills also improve faster when they more room to grow.  A skill that has 40 more points to grow will improve faster than a skill that only has 20 or 10.

I suspect your SF's passing development iis more hampered by #1 than #2 if the BH has all ready turned black after a 3 point growth.

TJ is spot on.  The pace of ratings improvement growth is not linear.  The move from 1-2 takes more practice minutes than from 10-11.  The hidden fact about that player is that the recruit generator will not produce a recruit with a single digit category that is *Blue*.  My guess is that player started with passing of 11 or 12 and has fallen back as the previous coach chose to devote practice elsewhere (it may have been *black* at 11 or 12; only the prior coach would know).  

You're experiencing precisely why that change was made to generate high potential players with ratings of at least 11.  There were too many recruits generated that looked great, but would never come close to filling out their potential (and the staff did not want to re-work the improvement algorithms wholesale).  That said, I would suggest putting even more minutes into Passing (as much as 25).   If you are starting that player as a Junior, then he has a shot to break through and realize a good deal of that potential.  If he's *blue* in a lot of other places though, then you can see why the prior coach just bailed on his passing.

Thanks Trenton, I did not know about #1. He is a liability with only 6 passing so I was hoping it would improve and he wouldn't turn the ball over 2.5 times a games.

I'm surprised to see a guy with a single digit rating be high. Was his ratiing originally higher and it slipped his first two seasons?

Joe is right, very low ratings have much slower growth. A while back Seble made a change due to this so that a recruit would only begin with a high potential with a rating at 10 or higher, any single digit rating would be low (there may be some mediums thrown in but I'm not sure). So that's the cause for the slow growth.

Posted by kmasonbx1 on 2/5/2014 1:11:00 PM (view original):
I'm surprised to see a guy with a single digit rating be high. Was his ratiing originally higher and it slipped his first two seasons?

Joe is right, very low ratings have much slower growth. A while back Seble made a change due to this so that a recruit would only begin with a high potential with a rating at 10 or higher, any single digit rating would be low (there may be some mediums thrown in but I'm not sure). So that's the cause for the slow growth.

nope, all single digits are low potential. This one must have started above 10 then slipped back - I guess it could even have theoretically started at average and slipped into a low high...

but I agree with the others that they definitely improve much slower at either extreme. With I think you said 30 WE and 19 minutes and 2 seasons you might get him to 20 if you're lucky...

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/5/2014 12:06:00 PM (view original):
Could be a couple of reasons:

1. Skills increase faster "in the middle".    I can't say for certain what the middle is defined as but I think it is about 17-83.   Scores less than 17 and over 83 improve slower than the #'s between them.   With a passing score of 6, he's gonna improve slower.

2. Skills also improve faster when they more room to grow.  A skill that has 40 more points to grow will improve faster than a skill that only has 20 or 10.

I suspect your SF's passing development iis more hampered by #1 than #2 if the BH has all ready turned black after a 3 point growth.

So say for example, I have a player blue in both PER(50) and Passing (30).  I have put the same number of practice minutes (15) into each.  If after 10 games the PER has improved 6 and the passing only 3, can you definitively conclude that there is more room for growth in PER than passing?  In this example, is there any guess as to how much more growth potential there is in PER?

I guess I had never really thought about this before, but it makes perfect sense.  This could be some valuable information to know when distributing practice minutes in players with low WE.

Posted by bro_lunardi on 2/5/2014 8:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 2/5/2014 12:06:00 PM (view original):
Could be a couple of reasons:

1. Skills increase faster "in the middle".    I can't say for certain what the middle is defined as but I think it is about 17-83.   Scores less than 17 and over 83 improve slower than the #'s between them.   With a passing score of 6, he's gonna improve slower.

2. Skills also improve faster when they more room to grow.  A skill that has 40 more points to grow will improve faster than a skill that only has 20 or 10.

I suspect your SF's passing development iis more hampered by #1 than #2 if the BH has all ready turned black after a 3 point growth.

So say for example, I have a player blue in both PER(50) and Passing (30).  I have put the same number of practice minutes (15) into each.  If after 10 games the PER has improved 6 and the passing only 3, can you definitively conclude that there is more room for growth in PER than passing?  In this example, is there any guess as to how much more growth potential there is in PER?

I guess I had never really thought about this before, but it makes perfect sense.  This could be some valuable information to know when distributing practice minutes in players with low WE.

Not necessarily. LP and PER increase at different rates than the rest, as evidenced by the fact that you only. Eyed 3 minutes to maintain those, versus 7 of the others. I think there used to be only one practice category for shooting, and then they broke it out into LP/PER, maybe somebody even older school than me can chime in to confirm or refute my recollection.

If it were speed and passing, then yes.