Since I'm limited with recruiting money at D-3. Would the best option to FSS states with the most D-2 players?

For instance, if there are 100 players in a state, 25 are at D-1, 50 at D-2 and 25 at D-3. Normally 25 recruits out of 100 players from that state isn't a very good ratio for a C- prestige D-3 school, considering you don't get the best bang for your buck. However, if a coach has an A+ prestige, should one target the amount of D-2 players in a particular state, in hopes they "drop down"? On average, how many D-2 players would actually drop down from the start of recruiting until the last cycle? Any thoughts?
 
BTW: I use a different strategy when recruiting and don't use the "pull down" method. If I had the funds, I most definitely would. Therefore, it's mostly relying on drop downs and the players that are in the D-3 pool.

I look at both D2 and D3 recruits. As an A+ you will have quite a few more recruits immediately available to you than you would with a C prestige. Some of those D3 recruits will be as good or better than the D2 recruits. Drop downs and pull downs both work at D3, even with limited funds. Sometimes you have a really good D2 player close to you and it is worth the risk to pull down early.

for pull downs or drop downs you can still use coaches calls or recruit calls (other methods as well probably) to determine if they will/would ever drop to you or not. I wouldn't blindly target random D2 players, I'd identify which ones will drop if not using pull downs.

I don't know the answer to your actual question. 

Posted by dacj501 on 3/2/2014 9:57:00 AM (view original):
for pull downs or drop downs you can still use coaches calls or recruit calls (other methods as well probably) to determine if they will/would ever drop to you or not. I wouldn't blindly target random D2 players, I'd identify which ones will drop if not using pull downs.

I don't know the answer to your actual question. 

I do this quite a bit (recently returned, in 2nd season of D3 rebuild and taking over 2 D2 rebuilds). I will send a recruit call 1st cycle to determine dropdown/pulldown. Once I get the call info back, then I will start ID'ing which states to FSS.

Your question has no definitive answer. Everything depends on the world and human population charts. However, if you absolutely refuse to use the pull down method, then I'd be far more worried about DIII recruits per state than DII recruits. At A+ prestige, there will be plenty of talent recruitable to you right away. Also factor that certain states are much more likely to have drop downs and others are more likely to have all the DII talent that isn't snapped up by DII teams pulled down before you'd ever get a shot.

If you are coming to d3, thewizard you should join the midwest conference. Upcoming conference. Jsajsa is right , human population is key d3 just because the higher prestige human coaches (some of them) will cherry pick off frosh talent i have noticed this a bit in crum of late. So look the juco route(sf has been good of late in crum) and hope you hit on those guys cause if your lower then an A- prestige you will miss out on the pg's which are a hot commodity. I lost out of two of those this past recruiting cycle i wanted.

Nevermind, heh. Thewizard is doing fine, A national championship in only 5 seasons- 107-24 record great job in elmira.

Thanks piratesfan and everyone else. I'm trying to learn more about how drop downs work.

I sent about 10 phone calls, one to each player. however wasn't sure if that was a result of them dropping down anyways, someone else pulling them down or I was able to pull them down with one phone call, which seems highly unlikely. I did get the I'm the backup option message with most of them and the one that did come down sent me a message that he was available to be recruited.

In my previous post, I was asking how to get the most for my money with FSS. It would be senseless I suppose if you have 100 players in a particular state, however 75 of those 100 are on the D-1 list.

go through and search for players and enter minimums in the attributes you desire (minimums that with high potential will finish where you want them to) for example, I use 40 ath a lot (with other things ovs) for my D2 teams - with H pot they'll get into the 60s at least. Limit your search to all states (assuming you haven't done any FSS at this point yet) and the distance to 400 (can't enter 360...). Make sure you are looking at D2 recruits, sort by distance descending. Skip the top few that are over 360 miles, then start counting the number of recruits in each state that is left on the list. I use tally marks. Then determine the cost to FSS the state, divide it by the number of possible pull downs in that state, use this to determine which states to FSS for pull/drop downs. You can also augment that initial tally by searching again for D3 recruits in the same states (go with any distance since they are immediately recruitable and the 360 doesn't matter as much) and then add those to your previous tally to get an even more accurate picture of which states are most desirable for FSS...


ETA: This is my strategy for pull downs (hence the 360 mile radius) - for strictly dropdowns, there is no reason to limit the search to 400 miles necessarily, although the farther away the recruit the more expensive to recruit him when/if he does drop of course... BUT, depending upon your budget of course, pull downs are entirely feasible at D3. Most can be captured for 10-13 SVs and an offer, which at the closest distance level is usually less than $2k

Posted by thewizard17 on 3/3/2014 4:46:00 PM (view original):
Thanks piratesfan and everyone else. I'm trying to learn more about how drop downs work.

I sent about 10 phone calls, one to each player. however wasn't sure if that was a result of them dropping down anyways, someone else pulling them down or I was able to pull them down with one phone call, which seems highly unlikely. I did get the I'm the backup option message with most of them and the one that did come down sent me a message that he was available to be recruited.

In my previous post, I was asking how to get the most for my money with FSS. It would be senseless I suppose if you have 100 players in a particular state, however 75 of those 100 are on the D-1 list.

Just want to clarify a couple of things.

1. A phone call isn't enough to pull a recruit down.  Maybe a one-in-a-million shot, but that guy would have dropped to you anyway.

2. Someone else pulling them down?  It doesn't work that way.  If you pull someone down, it's for you only.  It doesn't change his recruitability for anyone but you.

Posted by llamanunts on 3/3/2014 5:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 3/3/2014 4:46:00 PM (view original):
Thanks piratesfan and everyone else. I'm trying to learn more about how drop downs work.

I sent about 10 phone calls, one to each player. however wasn't sure if that was a result of them dropping down anyways, someone else pulling them down or I was able to pull them down with one phone call, which seems highly unlikely. I did get the I'm the backup option message with most of them and the one that did come down sent me a message that he was available to be recruited.

In my previous post, I was asking how to get the most for my money with FSS. It would be senseless I suppose if you have 100 players in a particular state, however 75 of those 100 are on the D-1 list.

Just want to clarify a couple of things.

1. A phone call isn't enough to pull a recruit down.  Maybe a one-in-a-million shot, but that guy would have dropped to you anyway.

2. Someone else pulling them down?  It doesn't work that way.  If you pull someone down, it's for you only.  It doesn't change his recruitability for anyone but you.

re point #2 - that is true, but its also not entirely...what I mean is that I strongly believe (not sure if its a known thing or not) that if 2 (or more I suppose) coaches are attempting to pull down the same player at the same time that it becomes harder (ie more effort is required) for both...meaning a guy that should take 10 SVs might take 15 or 20...most I've had to spend for a pull down was 35. I am all but certain someone else was pulling him too.