Under athleticism it's description lists "agility"

Under speed it's description lists "quickness"

Quickness and Agility are synonyms for each other.

In my mind, quickness is how fast you move from standing still. Agility has more to do with changing directions.

okay so speed is top speed and acceleration whereas athleticism effects change of direction.

Athleticism in a basketball context typically correlates most directly to leaping ability and ability to jump well while running. In an HD context, I believe it incorporates an element of strength as well (whether it rightly should or not is another matter). 

Now what the FAQ intends to make of it, how it regards agility vs. athleticism, etc...hard to say given how often HD and real life are divergent.

When you say an athlete is quick it sorta has some different implications from saying they are agile. Agile implies ease of motion, smoothness and fluidity,

Quickness implies going from point a to point b at a very high rate of speed.

I dont worry much about the exact verbal definitions.  They are indicative, but what really matters is how these variables interact in the engine.  We could label them skills - apple, pear, banana, orange, grape, etc and then say what the affect.  The explanations are mostly cosmetic and educational

Posted by ettaexpress on 4/28/2014 11:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by a_in_the_b on 4/28/2014 10:39:00 PM (view original):
When you say an athlete is quick it sorta has some different implications from saying they are agile. Agile implies ease of motion, smoothness and fluidity,

Quickness implies going from point a to point b at a very high rate of speed.

"Quickness implies going from point a to point b at a very high rate of speed. "

Isn't this speed rather than quickness? Quickness is getting to your top speed; first step, second step, that kind of thing. This video actually explains it pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2j8CnLXd4

That works too - just to me either way it Implies something different from agility.

Quick is short distance, 10 feet or so. It's the proverbial, "good first step".

 I think that HD Athleticism also incorporates the concept of body control - I guess that is maybe the same as agility.

Posted by tannermcc on 4/28/2014 9:52:00 PM (view original):
Under athleticism it's description lists "agility"

Under speed it's description lists "quickness"

Quickness and Agility are synonyms for each other.

that does seem odd tanner.

when you look at those definitions, i would think you would expect most gaurds to have higher ATH than most bigs.   im going off the top of my head here, so dont beat me up,  but it seems to me that in hd, or at least in d3, the really good big men generally have better ATH than the really good gaurds.  overall?  i dunno... id guess that ATH in HD is fairly even for bigs and perimeter players.

but when we look at that FAQ  and it says ATH is agility....  huh?   the bigs are more agile than the perimeter players?  or similar?  doesnt add up.

it kinda seems the guy who wrote the FAQ is not the guy who wrote the engine... or at least wasnt thinking about it much when he jotted down notes.

the way ive always interpretted ATH for this game is that this is where strength and bulk and leaping ability are factored in.   I wouldnt say that agility is the same as quickness... but i do think in HD that a players agility seems to get factored into SP.   

in real life when i think of a really athletic gaurd, i tend to think about leaping ability and agility  and speed.  
in HD, i tend to think of high ATH gaurds as the guys who are really strong physically and can post you up or defend the post,  grab some boards, and the kind of player that when driving to the basket often cradles the ball like a football as he approaches the basket and dares you to get in the way.

I've always thought of ATH in HD as a combination of strength and coordination.  Both traits be essential in the aspects of the game that most of us think involve ATH (rebounding, defense, and getting to the basket in traffic come to mind).