Speed vs. Man Defense Topic

dan2044
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So is question is based on a game I have coming up, but I'm not gonna post specific rosters and players because I don't actually need help game planning, just curious about this.
I'm playing a team who plays man 2 man defense.  His pg, sg, and sf have solid defensive ratings, all in the 70's. (this happens to be at DII, but irrelevant to the main point) but all 3 have poor speed ratings, like in the 50's.  My guys at those positions all have speeds in the 70's and 80's.  
So I'm trying to figure out what comes into play more?  There defensive ratings imply they should be able to stick with my guys, but speed wise my guys should blow by them every time.  So how much does speed play into a man defense?
I wrote this quickly, I hope everyone understands the question.  Answer however you feel is appropriate.

5/20/2014 9:17 AM
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If you look at my Grand Canyon team, you'll notice that I only have one guy with decent speed. My SG speed is 49 and my SF 43, however both have 90+ athleticism and good D. I think that a high defense rating allows players to stay in front of the ball handler. Therefore semi neutralizing the speed differential wIith defensive talent.
5/20/2014 10:07 AM
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weak speed will mean that it is harder for his team to double team your guys - they wont get back to the open man.  IF your team has a dominant scorer who might be doubled, these are guys who likely will not be effective doing so.
5/20/2014 10:52 AM
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50's vs 70s-80s? - I like those kinds of SPD mismatches a lot, & think they are very much exploitable if you have somewhat comparable  ATH.

How's your athleticism?

5/20/2014 11:00 AM
dan2044
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Posted by beefburglar on 5/20/2014 11:02:00 AM (view original):

50's vs 70s-80s? - I like those kinds of SPD mismatches a lot, & think they are very much exploitable if you have somewhat comparable  ATH.

How's your athleticism?

My ath is better at every position.  
But would you say great speed in a way to exploit a man.  Meaning let's say he's got great defensive ratings but only average speed, and I were to have guys in the 90's in speed.  Would I still have an advantage?
Just curious how this works.  I would think that in real life an offensive player who is much faster than the defender guarding him would at the very least drive in every play and would probably cause more fouls. Is that how this game works?
5/20/2014 11:30 AM
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I like to add sp/ath and compare to their sp/ath ability in order to decide if I can exploit it. 
i have always understood both sp and ath to play a role in the defensive abilities of a player. Not sure the percentages, but There's a combo of all those traits that I have recognized. 
5/20/2014 1:01 PM
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dan, actually in Real Life speed is less valued by coaches than "Quickness." I played Uptempo- Sideline Fastbreak/Pressure "D" for 20 years and always valued quicks over speed on both ends. However in this game Speed is the category that apparently was established to cover both speed and quicks. Usually in Real Life Great Quicks beats Great "D" because the game is designed for the offense to have an advantage. However athleticism  of both, which in RL is different than quicks also enters into the equation. But I guess I didn't answer your question regarding how it works in HD. That will have to come from a more experienced coach than I at this game:)
5/20/2014 1:02 PM
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Posted by dan2044 on 5/20/2014 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Posted by beefburglar on 5/20/2014 11:02:00 AM (view original):

50's vs 70s-80s? - I like those kinds of SPD mismatches a lot, & think they are very much exploitable if you have somewhat comparable  ATH.

How's your athleticism?

My ath is better at every position.  
But would you say great speed in a way to exploit a man.  Meaning let's say he's got great defensive ratings but only average speed, and I were to have guys in the 90's in speed.  Would I still have an advantage?
Just curious how this works.  I would think that in real life an offensive player who is much faster than the defender guarding him would at the very least drive in every play and would probably cause more fouls. Is that how this game works?

Definitely. But I wouldn't say "speed is the way to beat M2M" or anything like that - Depends on the position(I value speed a lot more in the 1,2 & 3, than I do in 4 & 5), and on the individual matchup.

"Meaning let's say he's got great defensive ratings but only average speed, and I were to have guys in the 90's in speed.  Would I still have an advantage?"

Avg speed vs 90's?

Huge advantage. If You've got a 25-30 point SPD advantage and superior ATH, I'd be going to town allll niiiight looong on that matchup. Fearlessly.

5/20/2014 4:30 PM
dan2044
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then just to drive the question a little more.  Who do you favor in the following theoretical matchup. 
Defensive player has 65 ath, 60 sp, 99 def.  in a man to man vs an offensive player at 65 ath, 90 sp.
Irrelevant to other ratings, even though we are assuming the offensive player is a scorer.  Would you raise or lower the distro in this matchup.
5/20/2014 5:29 PM
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If we are talking pg/sg and the ( 65ATH/ 90+ speed) offensive player also has good ball handling & scoring peripherals, I'd be fairly comfortable with heavy-ish distro vs a 65ATH / 60SPD / 99DEF defender.

5/20/2014 8:50 PM (edited)
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i think mostly this game works off abilities, not ratings. the defensive ability is a product of, mainly, ath, spd, def, blk, and def iq. i don't think individual ratings are compared for mismatches, but rather the abilities as a whole.
5/20/2014 11:48 PM
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