Blue-to-Black Before Regular Season Is Real Topic

Extremely uncommon, at least.  Agreed.
4/7/2014 3:59 PM
Posted by bow2dacowz on 3/21/2014 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dabighonu on 3/20/2014 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Hey, at least he gained one point before turning black! I've had a number of players switch to black after the first exhibition without a visible point gained.
and i just had one turn black to red immediately when they showed up on campus before any exhibition games were played...customer support attributed it to some mythical practice that supposed takes place while everyone's moving into their dorm rooms.
yep a few of mine in knight did it last season
4/7/2014 5:15 PM
Posted by gillispie1 on 4/7/2014 3:50:00 PM (view original):
if he started and it was lp/per and he has like 50+ points to gain, i could see it, actually think i have seen it once on a guy who started like 40 per and went to 99, who had a lot of reds and was getting a crap ton of per practice even as a freshman. i cant remember where but like 1.5 years ago, it wasnt my player. but never had it myself.

i don't know, maybe there is some bug that makes it happen SOMETIME - the thing is - if there are fractional points, and its evenly distributed (which you would expect, right?), you would see it ALL the time. it would be like, most of your freshman, because they might have like 5 ratings that went up by 1 point per 5 games, making 1 point per game between them all - on average, one of those would tick per player on that first practice. so its definitely not the norm, at least, it seems to me... especially given how rarely freshman gain a point after TWO practices. 
Completely reasonable.   Suppose that the initial and potential rating were always whole numbers; then the experience of a potential color-shift at the margins might be more frequent than you may expect.  Unless site staff or the developer wants to chime in, I'm not sure how to figure out whether the slowness of the initial improvement has more to do with the improvement function including playing time as a parameter, some peculiarity of freshmen improvement, or the initial ratings always being whole numbers (so the first practice is almost never enough to move the needle, but might shift the potential color).  

I located the forum thread (on exactly this topic) to which seble responded as follows: "Even though there is no visible improvement, that doesn't mean there is no improvement.  If a player has 7 points of potential, then after one practice maybe they have 6.9, they're still no longer at or above 7, so they're no longer average."  So, I'm comfortable that each rating is stored as something other than an integer value, but displayed as an integer.   
4/7/2014 9:33 PM
yeah rogelio, ratings are DEFINITELY floating point values, which are simply displayed as integers, we are in agreement on that - this has been true going back way before potential even. however, i think the alternate theories of why freshman don't gain early are a little far fetched, im pretty sure its because starting values are integers. for example, guys with mediums or lows will rarely gain even by the first regular season game (where some early season strangeness is presumably over), which makes no sense if you think of starting values as evenly distributed over floating point values, within each displayed rating.
4/7/2014 11:33 PM
Posted by gillispie1 on 4/7/2014 3:50:00 PM (view original):
if he started and it was lp/per and he has like 50+ points to gain, i could see it, actually think i have seen it once on a guy who started like 40 per and went to 99, who had a lot of reds and was getting a crap ton of per practice even as a freshman. i cant remember where but like 1.5 years ago, it wasnt my player. but never had it myself.

i don't know, maybe there is some bug that makes it happen SOMETIME - the thing is - if there are fractional points, and its evenly distributed (which you would expect, right?), you would see it ALL the time. it would be like, most of your freshman, because they might have like 5 ratings that went up by 1 point per 5 games, making 1 point per game between them all - on average, one of those would tick per player on that first practice. so its definitely not the norm, at least, it seems to me... especially given how rarely freshman gain a point after TWO practices. 
Well whaddaya know...  Timothy Crosland

True freshman, 1 practice, nice to have a WE of 86.  Gained a point each in Athleticism, Defense, and Perimeter.  I was pretty sure I'd seen a point after the first practice before.  I'm pretty damned sure I've never seen three.

I have several conflicting thoughts about this.  I'll think about it some more.

4/24/2014 3:56 PM
4/24/2014 3:57 PM
4/24/2014 3:59 PM
it will be interesting to see if he gains #2 after this practice or next... could shed some light on whether they round up or truncate, when displaying ratings (not that it particularly matters, only in discussions like this)
 
4/24/2014 6:38 PM
Another vaguely interesting note: that red rebounding was black before the first practice.  He's zeroed out in practice minutes for rebounding.
4/25/2014 12:07 PM
...and back to black after the 2nd practice.  That's just weird.
4/25/2014 4:33 PM
I believe the gains after the first exhibition game are purely from the playing time received in that game.  I don't believe the team has practiced yet at that point.  I don't think the settings for practice begin to take effect until the first actual practice.

That would explain him gaining from black to red with the playing time and then falling from red to black with the negative effect of 0 practice minutes.

6/7/2014 2:45 PM
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