So most times someone posts their history and questions how or why their prestige went down, the hd community swiftly bashes their perspective in support of the engine...hopefully that's not the case here! just got to the S16 and in the previous 3 seasons, had 2 S16 and an E8. Rpi / sos and wins during those 3 seasons also provided bumps. This season I managed a top 40 rpi/sos, but fell short of the required wins. Still, I'm surprised that my prestige would drop. Thoughts?

http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=12200 <-- the team in question.

you engine hating son of a *****!!

no really, i am pretty surprised by that, too. i've seen teams bump up (to a+) with a 2nd round without great rpi or anything, i guess they did have more wins than you, though. i suppose for a s16, your record and rpi are on the weak side, so that must be it, but still, i would have bet heavily that you would have kept your a+, i wouldn't think you were right on the edge of the a+/a after last season either. wins do weigh overly heavily in lower divisions prestige, always have, i guess it might be even more than i thought? with NT success meaning even less? 

I have not looked at the team - how did conference prestige do this cycle?

and what seasons dropped off the prestige "radar"?

Posted by fd343ny on 6/30/2014 9:25:00 AM (view original):
I have not looked at the team - how did conference prestige do this cycle?

and what seasons dropped off the prestige "radar"?

does conf prestige factor in at d2? i thought conf prestige was d1 only.

sorry, didnt look at division - I believe you are correct

what doesn't make sense to me is that i've had an A+ in the past with what appears to be worse credentials:

86	jtt8355	28-3	9-0	15-2	4-1	15-1	7	1	13	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
85	jtt8355	28-3	8-1	16-1	4-1	15-1	9	12	40	A	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
84	jtt8355	21-9	6-2	13-5	2-2	11-5		35	61	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
83	jtt8355	19-11	5-4	12-5	2-2	7-9		41	31	A	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)

compared with my current 4 years history: 

92	jtt8355	21-11	5-3	12-6	4-2	10-6		31	32	A	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
91	jtt8355	22-10	6-4	12-4	4-2	10-6	24	10	6	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
90	jtt8355	30-3	9-0	15-2	6-1	15-1	5	2	6	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
89	jtt8355	29-3	11-2	13-0	5-1	15-1	5	2	11	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)

the more i look at it, the more i'm convinced that CBG is right: wins (and possibly sos) are weighted much more than i (we) previously thought.

At D2 and D3,  prestige is 50% current season and 50% current prestige.  None of the previous seasons count. So, we can assume that an 11-loss season is an A or A-, which averaged with your A+ prestige would bring you down to A, probably a high A. 

Also # of wins is considered equally prestigious to your tournament results.  So, a 28-win team (regardless of SOS) that loses in the first round may earn more prestige points than your 2nd round finish with 21 wins. 

Posted by alblack56 on 6/30/2014 12:13:00 PM (view original):
At D2 and D3,  prestige is 50% current season and 50% current prestige.  None of the previous seasons count. So, we can assume that an 11-loss season is an A or A-, which averaged with your A+ prestige would bring you down to A, probably a high A. 

Also # of wins is considered equally prestigious to your tournament results.  So, a 28-win team (regardless of SOS) that loses in the first round may earn more prestige points than your 2nd round finish with 21 wins. 

Well, none of the previous seasons count except insofar as they've already counted (to get your current prestige). 

Quote post by alblack56 on 6/30/2014 12:13:00 PM:





it was a S16 finish, not 2nd round, if that sways you. and sos plays a part in prestige, though i don't know how its calculated.  

you actually went down last season.... just not enough to drop below the bottom of the A+ threshold.
This season was worse still... and you dropped (probably) just below it.
You are only looking at the 3 NT games played.
Look at the whole picture.... you went down both last season.... and even more this season.
There probably aren't 16 A+ programs in D2.
You lost 11 games...against the #31 SOS...weren't ranked, and had a #31 RPI.
Prestige is not based totally on how far you go in the NT.

Your comparison from season #86 shows you had a great team for 30 games and fell short in the NT.... You were rewarded in that case for having the #1 RPI, being ranked #7.... (probably like #2 or #3 at worst before the early exit), against the #13 SOS.

In the 4 worlds I can see, Rupp=13, Crum=15, Allen=13, and Smith=14, A+ teams in D2.
With that figure in mind.... and none of D1's baseline prestige to weigh on (or prop up), the ratings.
Your team was probably not one of the top 15 teams in Tark the last 2 season.
Season #91 because #90 was A+.... you held on.

JTT, I know exactly what goes into calculating prestige and why you dropped a little.
I didn't mean to infer your RPI or ranking were the calculating factors.... I mentioned them to help re-interate how good your team was in season #86.
Your RPI and ranking were by-products of having a great team that then fell short in the post-season and "only" went 2 rounds in the NT.
I know what I was trying to say... how it reads sometimes is another story all together...

Posted by jtt8355 on 7/1/2014 2:28:00 PM (view original):

Quote post by teamrc on 6/30/2014 2:49:00 PM:

Your comparison from season #86 shows you had a great team for 30 games and fell short in the NT.... You were rewarded in that case for having the #1 RPI, being ranked #7.... (probably like #2 or #3 at worst before the early exit), against the #13 SOS.

 

being ranked and rpi aren't factors for calculating prestige. (see here) though i am realizing from this thread that win% and probably sos count far more than post season success, which is not reflective of what we think about when we consider RL prestige. i totally get that "HD prestige" is not parallel to RL. 

i don't know about far more than post season success... i don't think one can exactly say how they relate either, like, i don't think its 50% post season and 50% regular season, or any other %. it seems to me there is some score you get for various accomplishments, and those are added together, to get your season score, which then plays into prestige. great accomplishments in the post season dwarf the impact of great accomplishments in the regular season, but at lower levels, NT1 to NT3 (s16), the regular season probably is on about equal footing, in terms of its contribution to your season score.