I was thinking of running a fastbreak and combining it with the press as I've seen some successful D3 teams running it, as well as doing it with players with low lp/per, but high ath/bh/pas.  Is this an offense that allows players with low lp/per to be successful based on ath or spd alone?  Obviously a deep bench is needed when running it along with a press. with good stamina.

Has anyone had any experiences running this?

I have been playing it with my D1 team, and have really been impressed with the offensive efficiency.  It seems like SPD+LP+BH+FT is a recipe for a pretty high scoring guard.  Take a look at the numbers this guy (not my player) has been able to put up with such a relatively limited skill set.

It's important to remember that LP and PER certainly are still important, so don't completely ignore them.  But yes, you could say that they are less important than with the other offenses.  Turnovers are what will really hurt you in fastbreak.  I've had some games against pressing teams where I had a turnover rate through the roof.

Here are a couple threads I made in the past that have some good information.

For the FB veterans out there, I am having a hard time deciding when to run uptempo and when to stick with normal tempo.  Any tips on this subject would be appreciated.

thanks clouse that thread was very helpful.

I do have a question about big men, I'm assuming they need higher speed to run fb/fcp is there anything else that big men in in this situation need for fb/fcp?  or is it the same with high ath/reb/def/lp

Im only writing this because it's what came to mind when I read the original post, and not that it's really on topic.  But at DIII, you can be successful with any offense without lp/per, as long as you have good enough ath/def.  If you want to be a championship team though, you're gonna have to have some offensive weapons. 

Posted by the0nlyis on 9/14/2014 11:16:00 PM (view original):
thanks clouse that thread was very helpful.

I do have a question about big men, I'm assuming they need higher speed to run fb/fcp is there anything else that big men in in this situation need for fb/fcp?  or is it the same with high ath/reb/def/lp

you said it already, but it can't be over emphasized... stamina in fb/fcp becomes a high priority core for basically everyone. a guy with 70 stamina isn't quite useless, but close, a recruit would have to be insane outside of his stamina for me to consider him in that system.

you can go with a little higher priority on speed at the 4, but i wouldn't worry about it too much. in d3 you don't really have the luxury of getting more than you need, i'd focus on ath/reb/def/sta in your rebounding guys and try to get like, one with lp, and built the majority of your offense around a couple players in particular, preferably, a sg and sf, or similar. in fb you can have 2 20ppg guys lead the team without any problems - as long as those two are really good offensively (per based scorers work better than lp based scorers). essentially, fb/fcp is the extreme case of every other system in HD - you have to focus on stamina more, which takes away from everything else - and you really are trying to build a strong defense like any press. between those two, you need to get just enough offense, rebounding, and guard skills to make it through alive. it really forces you to focus on roles and diminishing returns, because you are walking such a fine line all over the place, if you have too much or too little of some skill, its going to burn you. 

honestly, because the stamina drain is so severe on the other team as well, even if you sort of screw up the roles of your players, your team can be pretty good and get lucky and make final 4s and such where its not really appropriate with that level of talent. but to really be successful on a consistent basis, you have to prioritize a couple strong scorers who will allow you to focus on def/reb (the abilities, so ath/def/reb/sta) in your bigs and def and guard skills in your remaining guards, making sure you get guys who are good at what they are designed to do. if you could picture a championship caliber fb/fcp team, they aren't going to be quite as good rebounding wise or passing wise as your typical championship team, but you can make up for that very well with the stamina drain and the turnovers from your press (which will be higher than a normal press, because fatigue leads to more turnovers). you just want to make sure you don't fall TOO far behind in those areas. as with just about any team in any system, the most important player on the team is going to be your lead scorer, so make sure you aren't giving up much there.

okay so if I am understanding what everyone is saying:

I need high stamina!! is 80+ what I should look for(the higher the better, but 80 as like a min base?) this is the main component
High Athleticism/DefenseFree throw shooting/Ball handling is key to emphasize fb/fcp

LP/PER are luxury, but can obviously make my team dangerous,

By running high tempo pressure defense I expect to win on turnovers/free-throws and wearing the opponent down

For my guards do I want to value ath or spd more?

lp is a luxury but you have to have a couple strong per scorers to lead the team... i mean, you have options, but that is the simplest way to go about it. think of it like this. if you find 2 offensive studs, them might make 40 ppg of your say 75ppg. whats more important than making them efficient? nothing really... you have to focus on a couple strong scorers, and after that, you can sell out for defense or whatever else you need.