Thinking about going back to M2M Topic

I am at D3 Defiance and currently playing FCP.  I am thinking about going back to man-to-man.  Anybody see any reason against this?  (This is my third year having my practice time in FCP).  And, if I should go back to M2M, do I start by staying FCP at first or just switch over to M2M right away?

And FYI the reason I am leaving FCP is because I don't think I am using it very wisely, so if you have some insight to that without having to waste this season in switching back to M2M that would be very helpful!
10/1/2014 4:22 PM
You have been in double digits in steals the past 4 games, which is pretty good. Based on your defensive ratings, I wouldn't recommend going man to man. If you're going to change, I would go zone.
10/1/2014 5:01 PM
Switching to M2M is fine, but I don't think it'll help what's wrong with your team. 

What's wrong with your team is. . . well, I hate to be harsh, but it's your players. 

*You've got Price running the point. He would be a liability as the starting PG on a top 25 team, but you could get by with him in the starting lineup if you were good enough elsewhere. But he might be your best player in the backcourt. He's a subpar but non-terrible defender and a subpar but non-terrible scorer. With another 20 points of BH and another letter of FT, he might be a good slasher. With another 20 DEF and 20 ATH, he'd be a good defender. If he's going to be a starter, he needs to be good at one or the other, preferably both. 

*Your SG is a freshman and is terrible. He may grow up into something good one day, but he's terrible right now. (I'm starting decidedly subpar freshmen on a couple of my teams--Dallas particularly comes to mind--but you have to be strong elsewhere to counteract it). 

*Your starting SF is a solid but not elite defender, a subpar scorer, and a subpar rebounder. He needs to either be elite on D or be able to chip in either on offense or on the glass. You could get away with starting him on a good team, but he'd need to be your 4th or 5th best starter. 

*Your starting PF is a subpar rebounder, a solid but not elite defender, and a solid but not elite scorer. He'd be a good #3 scoring option on a top 25 team. He's your #1. But that rebounding really hurts you. If you want to play a 50 REB guy, he needs to be 70+ ATH and 80+ DEF and be able to score too. Also, your center and SF need to be able to pick up the REB slack. 

*Your starting center is a solid defender and a solid #4 or #5 scoring option (which is just where you have him, so good work there) and a below-average rebounder. He needs to be above average to counteract your below average rebounding PF. 

Basically, your starting lineup consists of four players that are not terrible but would be best served as backups or as a complementary piece to a team with two or three stars, and one player who is terrible. Most of them can do one thing competently and are subpar at a couple of others. You need to find players who can do multiple things competently or are flat out elite at one thing and non-terrible at others. Switching to M2M won't put those guys on your team. It will take away some of your fouling issues, but it will also take away some of those steals you're getting. It won't make your team good. To make it good, you have to set your sights higher in recruiting. 

Hope this didn't come off as harsh. Good luck!


10/1/2014 5:46 PM
Yeah, just to be blunt.  Your team is not set up for FCP very well. You need ATH, DEF, and ST for all 12 guys to be successful.  Don't sacrifice def and ath for per, lp or a specialty area.  Like Tarvolon said your SG is terrible.  I would cut Deberry and Baker if you want to stay in FCP.
10/2/2014 12:04 PM
Posted by tarvolon on 10/1/2014 5:46:00 PM (view original):
Switching to M2M is fine, but I don't think it'll help what's wrong with your team. 

What's wrong with your team is. . . well, I hate to be harsh, but it's your players. 

*You've got Price running the point. He would be a liability as the starting PG on a top 25 team, but you could get by with him in the starting lineup if you were good enough elsewhere. But he might be your best player in the backcourt. He's a subpar but non-terrible defender and a subpar but non-terrible scorer. With another 20 points of BH and another letter of FT, he might be a good slasher. With another 20 DEF and 20 ATH, he'd be a good defender. If he's going to be a starter, he needs to be good at one or the other, preferably both. 

*Your SG is a freshman and is terrible. He may grow up into something good one day, but he's terrible right now. (I'm starting decidedly subpar freshmen on a couple of my teams--Dallas particularly comes to mind--but you have to be strong elsewhere to counteract it). 

*Your starting SF is a solid but not elite defender, a subpar scorer, and a subpar rebounder. He needs to either be elite on D or be able to chip in either on offense or on the glass. You could get away with starting him on a good team, but he'd need to be your 4th or 5th best starter. 

*Your starting PF is a subpar rebounder, a solid but not elite defender, and a solid but not elite scorer. He'd be a good #3 scoring option on a top 25 team. He's your #1. But that rebounding really hurts you. If you want to play a 50 REB guy, he needs to be 70+ ATH and 80+ DEF and be able to score too. Also, your center and SF need to be able to pick up the REB slack. 

*Your starting center is a solid defender and a solid #4 or #5 scoring option (which is just where you have him, so good work there) and a below-average rebounder. He needs to be above average to counteract your below average rebounding PF. 

Basically, your starting lineup consists of four players that are not terrible but would be best served as backups or as a complementary piece to a team with two or three stars, and one player who is terrible. Most of them can do one thing competently and are subpar at a couple of others. You need to find players who can do multiple things competently or are flat out elite at one thing and non-terrible at others. Switching to M2M won't put those guys on your team. It will take away some of your fouling issues, but it will also take away some of those steals you're getting. It won't make your team good. To make it good, you have to set your sights higher in recruiting. 

Hope this didn't come off as harsh. Good luck!


No not harsh at all!  I'll never be mad at anybody for being honest!  Lol.

Yeah, I know my team is ok but was still learning the ropes when recruiting them.

The sophomore class is when I knew what to look for and what I wanted to improve in the player over four years, but didn't realize how big of an impact WE would take on that (Baker and Barber).

This freshman class I am excited about.  They are blue in the right places for me and have a strong WE.  The reason I am starting Deberry is because I promised him that start to get him (I was battling a D2 school for him).  Despite his already strong improvements, he is still blue in defense, perim, bh, and passing.  So, I am really excited about him in two seasons.

Now, having said that, I know that this team isn't strong and I am not claiming it to be.  I am learning more about the game and the recruiting part more and more each season.  I just want to know that should I stay FCP for more classes like I have in Deberry, Tomlin, and Myron (ie stronger players).  Or should I go M2M?
10/2/2014 12:25 PM
Posted by terps21234 on 10/2/2014 12:04:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, just to be blunt.  Your team is not set up for FCP very well. You need ATH, DEF, and ST for all 12 guys to be successful.  Don't sacrifice def and ath for per, lp or a specialty area.  Like Tarvolon said your SG is terrible.  I would cut Deberry and Baker if you want to stay in FCP.
Yeah as I said, had to promise Deberry a start to get him.  And he is blue in defense, perim, BH, and passing so I am excited about the future.

But I am asking if I should stay FCP for when Deberry and the freshman class are juniors and seniors with better players behind them.  Or should I go M2M because I am going to start RS a player yearly, maybe the freshman class won't be good enough for a FCP, etc.
10/2/2014 12:29 PM
Posted by jaymc2007 on 10/2/2014 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by terps21234 on 10/2/2014 12:04:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, just to be blunt.  Your team is not set up for FCP very well. You need ATH, DEF, and ST for all 12 guys to be successful.  Don't sacrifice def and ath for per, lp or a specialty area.  Like Tarvolon said your SG is terrible.  I would cut Deberry and Baker if you want to stay in FCP.
Yeah as I said, had to promise Deberry a start to get him.  And he is blue in defense, perim, BH, and passing so I am excited about the future.

But I am asking if I should stay FCP for when Deberry and the freshman class are juniors and seniors with better players behind them.  Or should I go M2M because I am going to start RS a player yearly, maybe the freshman class won't be good enough for a FCP, etc.
Sorry I don't see the FR or SO FCP type players. It's your choice.  Even in DIII you need at least 50 def ratings. Ideally in the 60's.  Be honest I would bring Beberry off bench next year. You might be better off with m2m because FCP hurts rebounding also. If you go that route I would practice half and half starting now and if not going to make postseason go full practice M2M.
10/2/2014 1:00 PM
Posted by terps21234 on 10/2/2014 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jaymc2007 on 10/2/2014 12:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by terps21234 on 10/2/2014 12:04:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, just to be blunt.  Your team is not set up for FCP very well. You need ATH, DEF, and ST for all 12 guys to be successful.  Don't sacrifice def and ath for per, lp or a specialty area.  Like Tarvolon said your SG is terrible.  I would cut Deberry and Baker if you want to stay in FCP.
Yeah as I said, had to promise Deberry a start to get him.  And he is blue in defense, perim, BH, and passing so I am excited about the future.

But I am asking if I should stay FCP for when Deberry and the freshman class are juniors and seniors with better players behind them.  Or should I go M2M because I am going to start RS a player yearly, maybe the freshman class won't be good enough for a FCP, etc.
Sorry I don't see the FR or SO FCP type players. It's your choice.  Even in DIII you need at least 50 def ratings. Ideally in the 60's.  Be honest I would bring Beberry off bench next year. You might be better off with m2m because FCP hurts rebounding also. If you go that route I would practice half and half starting now and if not going to make postseason go full practice M2M.
Nope, not a postseason year I feel :( lol.  Thanks for your help!
10/2/2014 1:30 PM
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